HOF Leaks.

[MechaZain]

Brady's an owner now they've already sized the jacket

[PanthersATL]

This HOF voter says it wasn't a snub as much as it was that there's a limited number of votes to give out and he put his votes on others first

https://awfulannouncing.com/nfl/kansas-city-star-vahe-gregorian-hall-of-fame-voter-bill-belichick.html

[NorthTryon]

6 hours ago, shaqattaq said:

Exactly, Tom went to Tampa and won another SB, Bill drove the pats off a cliff without him. Easy to see who was the talent. Hell, TB was riding the bench until Bledsoe got hurt and wins his first SB the same season! BB had no idea what he had.

Ummm, so who was the talent when Brady was winning with Bryce young stats at the first of his career? Their first playoff run, his only TD pass was in the S. Bowl and he threw for less than 150yds. They beat the Rams in his last S. Bowl win with New England and he didn't even throw a touchdown. He did throw a pick though. I don't know where this stupid narrative came from and I heartily dislike Belicheat, but you can't dismiss him. They had a system, Brady embraced it and was a giant piece, but he had a good coach and some good teams around him. 

[strato]

7 hours ago, MechaZain said:

Paul Hornung bet on games as a player and still got in but Ricky Williams is shadowbanned for life over weed. Michael Irvin got in with a laundry list of misconduct. You've got guys in Canton with mediocre stats. Not going to cry for Belichick but it's been a farce.

I got interested here because of Ricky Williams. Does Ricky Williams even have a case for the HOF? I had never considered him as a candidate.  
 

I looked it up.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WillRi00.htm

He had one killer season. 1800+ rushing yards. Did break 1000 yards rushing I think 5 times. 4 times in his first 5 years, only once in the 6 years afterwards. 
Pretty pedestrian numbers for season totals a few of those later years.  
 

I say no he wouldn’t get in herb or no herb, but I learned something. I did not realize he played for 11 years (with one full year suspension sandwiched in there). I had him in my mind as like a 7 or eight year player. 

Edited 20 hours ago by strato

[strato]

8 minutes ago, NorthTryon said:

Ummm, so who was the talent when Brady was winning with Bryce young stats at the first of his career? Their first playoff run, his only TD pass was in the S. Bowl and he threw for less than 150yds. They beat the Rams in his last S. Bowl win with New England and he didn't even throw a touchdown. He did throw a pick though. I don't know where this stupid narrative came from and I heartily dislike Belicheat, but you can't dismiss him. They had a system, Brady embraced it and was a giant piece, but he had a good coach and some good teams around him. 

There is a point there. I think it is also fair to recognize that Belichick failed to develop a successor. With ample time over all those seasons. 
It reinforces the school of thought that a lot of the success is due to who your QB is. No matter how good a defensive mind you are. 

[NorthTryon]

5 minutes ago, strato said:

There is a point there. I think it is also fair to recognize that Belichick failed to develop a successor. With ample time over all those seasons. 
It reinforces the school of thought that a lot of the success is due to who your QB is. No matter how good a defensive mind you are. 

I definitely hear you there. I think that also had a lot to do with the drop off in QB play across the league. It has gotten worse and worse due to college coaches not really preparing kids to play at the next level anymore. They are just doing what they need to do to get wins. Who would've thought Matt Stafford would have this resurgence? Teams are holding on to old QBs now . They would've been a playoff team in the Cam year if so many players hadn't foregone the season and Cam didn't get covid. Then they made the playoffs in Mackorkle's first year. Then the great fall off began and that was due to his GM resume. Belichick definitely didn't have the greatest track record as a GM. 

Edited 20 hours ago by NorthTryon

[frankw]

1 hour ago, NorthTryon said:

Who would've thought Matt Stafford would have this resurgence? Teams are holding on to old QBs now.

Meanwhile we're over here holding onto Andy Dalton and his zero career playoff wins like our team culture depends on it.

[ProcessBlue2]

5 hours ago, frankw said:

Meanwhile we're over here holding onto Andy Dalton and his zero career playoff wins like our team culture depends on it.

I really wish Flacco would retire and Dalton could just sit on Cincinnati’s bench behind Burrow a couple of years and remember the old times while we find a legit back up.

[rebelrouser]

18 hours ago, NorthTryon said:

Ummm, so who was the talent when Brady was winning with Bryce young stats at the first of his career? Their first playoff run, his only TD pass was in the S. Bowl and he threw for less than 150yds. They beat the Rams in his last S. Bowl win with New England and he didn't even throw a touchdown. He did throw a pick though. I don't know where this stupid narrative came from and I heartily dislike Belicheat, but you can't dismiss him. They had a system, Brady embraced it and was a giant piece, but he had a good coach and some good teams around him. 

And the Bucs were pretty damn good when Brady got there.  Their biggest problem was Jameis Winston and Brady provided a big improvement over him. Jameis threw 30 int's the year before Brady got there.  Tampa Bay was ready to win big with even a mediocre qb when Brady arrived. That team had studs all over the place.  Read that article i linked.  Belichick was a great coach and should easily have made the first ballot HOF. 

[Navy_football]

1 hour ago, rebelrouser said:

And the Bucs were pretty damn good when Brady got there.  Their biggest problem was Jameis Winston and Brady provided a big improvement over him. Jameis threw 30 int's the year before Brady got there.  Tampa Bay was ready to win big with even a mediocre qb when Brady arrived. That team had studs all over the place.  Read that article i linked.  Belichick was a great coach and should easily have made the first ballot HOF. 

Pretty sure Brady left due to the lack of weapons in New England. There were some saying he left because of general disagreements with BB and the way he ran the team. But I think he realized that he couldn't be successful with the team of receivers around him - other than Gronk. BB wanted to give short contracts to everyone not named Edelman.