Dane Brugler from The Athletic 2-round cock draft

[csx]

5 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Every player can't be a top 20 at their position. We have to get out of that mindset. The good key players at key positions will fill in the gaps for them AND help them improve over time. Bring in FAs that are good enough. Not the best FA at his position or a great player or even a particularly good player. Just an NFL level talent. The good key players that fill in the gaps should be acquired through the draft. That is why you get the best player available unless it's a position you already have a good key player there. Exception is if your team is on the cusp of having a super bowl team, and a few plays a game will actually make the difference. Then you chase the big time FAs to get you over the hump. You don't spend on big time FAs when you know you're 3-4 years away from competing. The cap and average length of NFL careers aren't built for that. 

Agreed. This is why I believe we should get a veteran Inside linebacker. The market is prime to pick one up. 

[Navy_football]

Just now, csx said:

Agreed. This is why I believe we should get a veteran Inside linebacker. The market is prime to pick one up. 

Yes. Need to upgrade Rosenboom, but not sure if going after the big names is the right approach. Unless that guy is young enough to be here for at least 4 or 5 seasons - and play at a high level the entire time. 

[csx]

Just now, Navy_football said:

Yes. Need to upgrade Rosenboom, but not sure if going after the big names is the right approach. Unless that guy is young enough to be here for at least 4 or 5 seasons - and play at a high level the entire time. 

There are a lot of them available. I dont specifically care if they are young or the future. They should be great value given the supply 

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, csx said:

Agreed. This is why I believe we should get a veteran Inside linebacker. The market is prime to pick one up. 

IMO, the answer is pretty clear. We should sign a solid vet and LB should still be pretty high on our draft wish list. The guys getting released likely speaks highly of the incoming class. Teams see opportunities to let big money vets walk and replace them with much cheaper, younger rookies. It should also drive down the free agent market with the influx of new talent available. There should be quality vet bargains to be had. Forget the Devin Lloyds. Let someone else pay a guy the Jags were willing to let walk. Sign the third or fourth highest valued FA and still get a quality player with a lot less cap impact. 

[MHS831]

12 hours ago, strato said:

It went straight to the front of the line for me. But I’m not sure we could get true plug and play talent at 19.  There is maybe a decent option in FA but the money just compounds the imbalance.

I looked here: 

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/carolina-panthers

Without specifying details, 

Icky, Lewis, Hunt and Moton are right at 80 million dollars. No C accounted for. 

Walter from Green Bay is estimated at 4 years 88 mil. I just don’t know how you could do that unless you will maybe get Moton and even Hunt off the books ASAP. 
 

Moton looks like he doesn’t have a lot of time left playing well. The legs… 

We have to figure something out. 

 

If they were really going to go young at C RG and RT they could work it I guess so that they could get Walker and take a Moton 2027 replacement guy and a C and be done with the OL for a while.  
 

 

good post.  this is the season when I get stressed over the cap and then remember, it is not my problem.

[MHS831]

5 hours ago, OldhamA said:

You can't draft for need.

That's what FA is for. 

I have considered free agency.  LT?  Either not good enough or too expensive.  Besides, this is a good OT draft.  (I would rather have a free agent, mind you, but the Panthers' reality suggests we can't do it without neglecting other positions).  What LTs are available in free agency, and what do you expect to pay?  Any Ickey-level OT is going to cost over $20m.   How much do we already have invested in our OL?  I get your point, but I do not think you can spend over $100m per on your OL. We have 2 guards and a right T who pull in about $75m per season.  We don't have a center yet.  Teams just don't let good LTs hit free agency, and when one does on rare occasion, he is expensive.  If you want a third of the Panther cap going to 5 Offensive Linemen, free agency is the way to go.  We still need S, ILB, Edge, WR, etc. I think we'd need more than Nijman--and I would understand if we went free agent for a T--but that is putting a TON of your cap at OL--so considering our situation, I do not see that option as preferable.  You may disagree.

If I was not talking LT on our line and thinking about the cap, I would agree 100%.  

Edited 4 hours ago by MHS831

[Hoenheim]

Don't know much about Mesidor other than watching Miami play a couple of games in the college playoff.

If he's that old already what is the logic behind drafting him in R1?? If you do that he had better be instantly getting 6+ sacks in year 1. 

One thing I will say about dude is he had insanely consistent productivity in college.  Wow. 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Hoenheim

[OldhamA]

6 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My big issue with Mesidor in the 1st is that he's a 6th year college player who will be a 25 year old rookie. I mean, we're talking about a guy who's as old as some guys are when we're talking about second NFL contract (case in point, he's actually a couple months older than Bryce, only 6 months younger than Icky, and a year younger than XL who is going into his third season and was an ancient rookie sixth year college player himself.) . A literal man playing amongst boys. Will that translate when everyone else on the field is a grown ass man too? I get really nervous about these older prospects who blow up in their final year of college play. He's not quite XL level where XL did practically nothing before his final year but Mesidor's final year was definitely the anomaly. He went from solid college player who might get an NFL opportunity to being talked about as a 1st round prospect. That's a HUGE red flag for me.

Nah, look at his stats (if you're not going to watch him play), he was a very good College player who exploded in a perfect scheme fit on a very talented team as a RS Senior. 

As a Canes fan would I take him in the first round? Absolutely not. Second round? Absolutely. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

8 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Nah, look at his stats (if you're not going to watch him play), he was a very good College player who exploded in a perfect scheme fit on a very talented team as a RS Senior. 

As a Canes fan would I take him in the first round? Absolutely not. Second round? Absolutely. 

I don't know, he looked good for Miami once they stopped forcing him to play DT (which was an insanely stupid thing to do). He also got stuck being doubled teamed an insane number of plays when playing DT.

I understand Bain got the most attention, but Mesidor pretty much didn't get blocked 1-on-1 by anybody this season. I don't think there is any way he makes it out of the 1st (unless his medical has red flags) - too many teams picking in the bottom 12 spots want an edge that will be an impact player day 1. Mesidor has the technique and pass rush move variety to contribute day 1 (unlike some of the other edges that are freak athletes but more raw).

[OldhamA]

9 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

I don't know, he looked good for Miami once they stopped forcing him to play DT (which was an insanely stupid thing to do). He also got stuck being doubled teamed an insane number of plays when playing DT.

I understand Bain got the most attention, but Mesidor pretty much didn't get blocked 1-on-1 by anybody this season. I don't think there is any way he makes it out of the 1st (unless his medical has red flags) - too many teams picking in the bottom 12 spots want an edge that will be an impact player day 1. Mesidor has the technique and pass rush move variety to contribute day 1 (unlike some of the other edges that are freak athletes but more raw).

So if Bain and Mesidor were both getting doubled teamed, who was blocking the DTs?

[strato]

This other thing though, speaks to me. It is a guy who is fully grown and mature going against 19, 20, 21 year olds in college.

He gets to the pros and almost everyone is a full grown man. Only the rookies are sometimes a bit less.

He had an advantage, now he is the rookie at the NFL level. What happens then?