Dan Morgan on the Rich Eisen show

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46 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Fixed it for you.  

The good thing about replacing a bad player is you really have nothing to lose. If their replacement is bad so what, you didn't get much worse and probably saved money.  

[Navy_football]

Football is the ultimate team sport. No sport is more dependent on others for your success - including coaching. I don't know if Bryce is the guy, but I do know this has been a very bad team all around since he got here. One of the worst o-lines and coaching staffs I've ever seen his rookie year. One of the worst defenses and receiving groups (including TEs) I've ever seen his 2nd season - with a rookie HC and OC. An improving WR group his 3rd season mostly due to a rookie. The only other WR of note didn't really play well until after the 10th game of the season due to injury. Still no receiving TE to speak of. And lost games because of the worst pass rush in the NFL. And the only speed he's ever had on the field was DJ Chark. A washed up DJ Chark that played here one year and has had 31 yards receiving since leaving. 

Carolina had no business moving up for a QB in 2023. They weren't ready. Especially if it meant trading your only good WR to do it. Now finally there's potential on defense. Potential on o-line. Potential at WR, including some actual speed in a game where speed kills. If BY falls on his face this season, then he has to own it. Situation may not be perfect, but it's at least NFL average across the board. I won't beat him up for being bad in bad situations on a bad team. But a 4th year QB has to be able to control the offense and make players/coaches right. The team looks good enough on paper to show what he can do now. 

 

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11 hours ago, strato said:

Yeah he has to do the coach speak supportive positive praise routine.  Got a whole team to keep on board and pulling in the same direction. 
 

I will believe the poo or get off the pot thing when one of things actually happens. 

I hope Bryce balls out. Wouldn't bet the farm on it though. Morgan has to be practical though. He was placed into a situation where he was compelled to give Bryce a long look. There really haven't been any more practical options due to who has been available at the position. The Panthers had already put their chips in with Bryce, so putting more chips in by borrowing against the future and stacking on that by borrowing against the future without really having the requisite draft capital was a nonstarter. We could either dump Bryce and go dumpster diving for known and unknown JAGs at the position, or take out chances and let it play out with Bryce and hope for acceptable returns. Due to what looks like some good moves in the draft and free agency, it appears like we're finally getting into a position where we can take a swing again if need be without destroying the core of the team. I understand that you'll believe it when you see it, but Dan is gonna move on if Bryce can't cut it. There are too many professionals lives and careers tied to Bryce to simply accept the status quo. 

[bythenbrs]

10 hours ago, strato said:

I am so over these rollouts to the right all the time. 

Zoolander could only turn right.  It’s more common than you might think.

[Jay Roosevelt]

16 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

"everybody has to earn it, heading in the right direction, feel great about him, get it done at the right time"

 

 

Mother fuger

They want to extend him, but if they were completely sold they already would have. I honestly think this season will determine whether Bryce gets:

1. A big money 'franchise QB' extension.

2. A middle-of-the-road (still expensive given the QB market) contract.

3. Traded after this season.

Time will tell, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that they plan to extend Bryce. Mostly because I think they would already have done so if that's the way they felt.

[OldhamA]

16 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

It may just be GM speak or whatever but how the fug dont you have an answer by now if he needs an ext.  What is "discussing it internally" even doing?    You are either going to give him one before the season starts or simply let it ride until the end of 26

Essentially we're either paying a replacement level player a shitload of money next year and encasing our feet in concrete before jumping in the river, or we're handing the reigns over to a rookie.

The rest of the roster building has been really impressive, but the QB room is a mess.

[OldhamA]

41 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Football is the ultimate team sport. No sport is more dependent on others for your success - including coaching. I don't know if Bryce is the guy, but I do know this has been a very bad team all around since he got here. One of the worst o-lines and coaching staffs I've ever seen his rookie year. One of the worst defenses and receiving groups (including TEs) I've ever seen his 2nd season - with a rookie HC and OC. An improving WR group his 3rd season mostly due to a rookie. The only other WR of note didn't really play well until after the 10th game of the season due to injury. Still no receiving TE to speak of. And lost games because of the worst pass rush in the NFL. And the only speed he's ever had on the field was DJ Chark. A washed up DJ Chark that played here one year and has had 31 yards receiving since leaving. 

Carolina had no business moving up for a QB in 2023. They weren't ready. Especially if it meant trading your only good WR to do it. Now finally there's potential on defense. Potential on o-line. Potential at WR, including some actual speed in a game where speed kills. If BY falls on his face this season, then he has to own it. Situation may not be perfect, but it's at least NFL average across the board. I won't beat him up for being bad in bad situations on a bad team. But a 4th year QB has to be able to control the offense and make players/coaches right. The team looks good enough on paper to show what he can do now. 

 

We traded the farm for the #1 overall pick. The #1 overall pick is meant to elevate the players around him, not complain that the situation isn't perfect.

The reason he had no D the 2nd year is because Morgan stripped that side of the ball bare to prop up Young. 

[CanadianCat]

7 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Bryce has yet to prove he can be a starter.

Im getting kind of sick of this. Bryce is a stater. He doesnt put up elite numbers but he has proven he can play. The question is what is that worth?

And you only have 2 options to that question.

1. Pay him top 5 QB money. 
2. Release him and start over.

[Candler Cat]

[CanadianCat]

35 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

They want to extend him, but if they were completely sold they already would have. I honestly think this season will determine whether Bryce gets:

1. A big money 'franchise QB' extension.

2. A middle-of-the-road (still expensive given the QB market) contract.

3. Traded after this season.

Time will tell, but I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that they plan to extend Bryce. Mostly because I think they would already have done so if that's the way they felt.

Honestly I dont think option #2 exists on a 24 year old 1st round QB on their 1st team. 

Im not sure Ive ever seen a top drafted QB sign a middle of the road deal on their contract extension on their 1st team.

Usually that player has to be cut go to a new team and then that deal gets done. Look at Darnold and Baker for an example. 

[Navy_football]

18 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

We traded the farm for the #1 overall pick. The #1 overall pick is meant to elevate the players around him, not complain that the situation isn't perfect.

The reason he had no D the 2nd year is because Morgan stripped that side of the ball bare to prop up Young. 

Disagree. They weren't propping up the QB by improving the OG position coming off what we saw in 2023. They were addressing an obviously horrible position group that didn't allow them to even run the offense. Even drafting XL was an attempt to address an obviously horrible position group. Drafting Brooks was to address a position that consisted of Chuba Hubbard only. And we know catching has always been his Achilles heel. They were improving what they thought were the biggest weaknesses on the team. Who knew Derrick Brown would get injured in the first game of the season and the entire defense would fall apart. 

And no one was coming in to Carolina and making them respectable those first 2 seasons. QB isn't played in a vacuum. That's why Brady left the Patriots and went to Tampa to win a Super Bowl. His coach was starting to give him the Cam treatment. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

9 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Honestly I dont think option #2 exists on a 24 year old 1st round QB on their 1st team. 

Im not sure Ive ever seen a top drafted QB sign a middle of the road deal on their contract extension on their 1st team.

Usually that player has to be cut go to a new team and then that deal gets done. Look at Darnold and Baker for an example. 

You could be right. I feel like if Bryce has a year basically the same as last year we're better off trading him because there are likely several teams that would be interested, despite what his naysayers on this forum will tell you. Not saying we'd get a 1st or 2nd rounder, but I feel confident some team would be willing to cough up a 3rd rounder for a former #1 overall QB that has shown at least some flashes.

[TLGPanthersFan]

28 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Im getting kind of sick of this. Bryce is a stater. He doesnt put up elite numbers but he has proven he can play. The question is what is that worth?

And you only have 2 options to that question.

1. Pay him top 5 QB money. 
2. Release him and start over.

No he is not. On any other normal team he would be a backup if not off the team. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

19 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

Im getting kind of sick of this. Bryce is a stater. He doesnt put up elite numbers but he has proven he can play. The question is what is that worth?

And you only have 2 options to that question.

1. Pay him top 5 QB money. 
2. Release him and start over.

He doesnt put up elite numbers? He puts up bottom of the league numbers. There is zero consistency in his game. You can't have a qb that shows up once every 4 games.Those guys are starters until their replacement is found. 

Honestly, he's worth about 4m per season because that's what backups are getting.