If you want a DT in the draft,read this and then tell me why you do

[bleys]

Kirkpatrick and Claiborne are both proven CBs that will make an impact. No matter how much I want to tell myself otherwise no DT has a proven track record this year. Im not looking for Suh but I would at least like some soild production numbers. Besides even Fua and McClain were not as bad at stoping the run as Capt. was in pass coverage for this team. Im willing to wait another year to see what our young DTs can prove but I already know no matter how many years under his belt he gets Capt. want be a good option for CB2.

I think another CB is needed regardless due to how many more receivers are put on the field, but Captain isn't going to beat out Brandon Hogan however the chips may fall.. and even then he still has to compete with Butler.

[Snake]

I think another CB is needed regardless due to how many more receivers are put on the field, but Captain isn't going to beat out Brandon Hogan however the chips may fall.. and even then he still has to compete with Butler.

IMO I would take Claiborn or Kirpatrick if we trade down or not. I cant say the same for any DT this year. I just dont see them panning our any better than what we already have in Fua and McClain. Also a decent DT is going to be more readily available in FA than CB. JMO though.

[JawnyBlaze]

One of my biggest reasons for wanting DT in the 1st is because it would seem we can get a much better CB in the second than DT. After the top 3 DTs (Brockers, Poe, Cox) there's a noticeable dropoff. After Claiborne there's a slight dropoff, and then at least 5 or 6 very solid players who I feel the same about: Jenkins would be higher if not for the huge character concerns and Kirkpatrick, Minnifield, Gilmore, Dennard, Hayward and Hosely are all about equal. There's some others I don't know much about but are put in the same group: Trumaine Johnson, Brandon Boykin and a couple others I'm probably forgetting.

So basically I think the total combine value of taking DT in the 1st and CB in the 2nd is much higher than taking Jenkins or Kirkpatrick in the 1st (bleh) and then having to choose from Brandon Thompson, Jerrell Worthy or Kendall Reyes in the 2nd (all 3 I think can be solid pros, but wouldn't be nearly as big of an upgrade as one of the previously mentioned CBs would be). I'd take Claiborne in the 1st if he were available, but if not give me Brockers or Poe. Or if we can trade down, Cox.

[CRA]

We can get a comparable DT in the 2nd as with our #9 pick.

[Varking]

I just got off the phone with two scouts in the National League West who stated when they spoke to Hardy and CJ they said that they had to cheat to the middle to help out the DTs so runs to the outside became efficient. If we had better play up front, then the runs to the outside wouldn't kill us. The telling stat from this thread is that 50% of all runs against us went up the gut, and gained over 4 yards a rush. No team should get laced like that right up the middle.

[Varking]

One of my biggest reasons for wanting DT in the 1st is because it would seem we can get a much better CB in the second than DT. After the top 3 DTs (Brockers, Poe, Cox) there's a noticeable dropoff. After Claiborne there's a slight dropoff, and then at least 5 or 6 very solid players who I feel the same about: Jenkins would be higher if not for the huge character concerns and Kirkpatrick, Minnifield, Gilmore, Dennard, Hayward and Hosely are all about equal. There's some others I don't know much about but are put in the same group: Trumaine Johnson, Brandon Boykin and a couple others I'm probably forgetting.

So basically I think the total combine value of taking DT in the 1st and CB in the 2nd is much higher than taking Jenkins or Kirkpatrick in the 1st (bleh) and then having to choose from Brandon Thompson, Jerrell Worthy or Kendall Reyes in the 2nd (all 3 I think can be solid pros, but wouldn't be nearly as big of an upgrade as one of the previously mentioned CBs would be). I'd take Claiborne in the 1st if he were available, but if not give me Brockers or Poe. Or if we can trade down, Cox.

Poe literally did nothing in college against weak competition but is supposed to be a stud pro. I don't get it.

[rippadonn]

We can get a comparable DT in the 2nd as with our #9 pick.

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[pantherclaw]

I feel strongly that DT is not the need in the draft that many think it is. So I try to help other assumed panther fans understand that without being a dick about it. Nobody came on here and tried to help me understand that its not without being a dick about it or even making a decent argument that it's the case. Therefore I wasted my own time and will refrain from doing so in the future, starting now.

i don't see anybody stating that DT is our biggest need.

Regardless of what you consider our biggest need...the panthers can't draft on need. That's how ya cripple a team.

[panther4life]

i don't see anybody stating that DT is our biggest need.

Regardless of what you consider our biggest need...the panthers can't draft on need. That's how ya cripple a team.

19 of 52 thought so in this poll http://www.carolinahuddle.com/forum/the-nfl-draft/76116-well-what-is-the-panthers-biggest-need.html

[CRA]

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You need to look closer at the DTs. Gap between 1 and 5-6 isn't much. None or even worth a high draft pick. There will be someone we can take with our #2

[pantherclaw]

Was referring to THIS thread.

Once again...the team can't ignore BPA to draft a "need".

That's how a team messes up.

And just cause you feel other positions are our biggest need, won't make a player at that position anymore BPA than others players..unless the players are evenly rated on the team's board...not yours, not mine.

You also act like ya would be pissed if the panthers picked at DT with their first round pick. You best be prepared for them to pick any position. The panthers aren't locked into drafting any one position. We need help everywhere. If player A is bpa when they picck...that's who'll they'll draft. If it's player B or C, then they pick that person.

I honestly don't care who they pick, cause our current front office doesn't screw up on first round picks.

That doesn't stop me from wanting Poe as a Panther.

[carpanfan96]

Oh so you're one of those "we should just get as much talent as possible at every other position on the defense to mask our deficiency there rather than benfitting from the domino effect of having an elite DT."

No, I never said that either. There just isn't a DT worth a top 10 pick. Take one in the second and it's the same damn player that you could've got in the first. That's how close the DT's in this draft are, there isn't a stud or anything like that. Brockers announced and it took months for him to move up boards, it's because his tape isn't good. Same thing with Poe, except he played worse....

Oh, yeah, btw. The top five defenses in football this year all have a marquee DT starting for them.

Ok, but there isn't a marquee DT in this draft.... Something you're obviously not getting and it's something I've said over and over again. Your reading skills are really poor, did you finish school???

Except that I have an army of scouts, coaches, analysts, draftniks and Huddlers and so on and so on and so on and so on that agree with me.

Coaches.. lmao, don't believe what a coach says in public ever.....

Huddlers....

analysts...

Scouts.....

Lmao - The STL Rams scout has publicly stated that Brockers isn't nor should be a first round pick. As have other real NFL scouts/ scouts that have worked for NFL teams.... Just don't read ESPN or draftnik sites and you might actually know something. That would be nice and a definite change on the boards. Instead the only thing you can do is make smart-ass remarks and attack people or make bogus threads featuring mainly DE's and 3-4 ends. LMAO

There's a reason that it took Brocker's so long to move up the boards and I can tell you it wasn't because of scouts raving over him early on. You watch a bunch of ESPN and NFLN, don't you???? Brocker's has two things going for him in the draft, size and above average run stuffing ability.

His weakness list is a lot longer - He's got a poor first step, below average lateral quickness, sucks at rushing the QB, has poor technique and no pass rush moves. He's also extremely raw with all those below average traits.

Poe's got a lot going for him because he's a workout warrior, but his production would scare me from drafting him and it will scare most teams from drafting him before the mid teens.

Which you have yet to verify. And, oh yeah, we've listed numerous scouts on this website lauding the DT's this year..ssooooo...

I did up above...

Aw, you're right bro my bad.

"You've never watched a down of game tape period,"

There we go. All better.

No, not really because well...... you know what, nevermind your not worth it.

and one final thing....

I removed the picture, because I think you should take your own damn advice on that.