Brees may not be in camp!

[Gallagher]

Brees cap hit (franchise tag) is 16 million. They have 2.16 million left and still need to sign WR Nick Toon. They will have to do some restructuring to get him his $.

http://espn.go.com/b...ap-space-update

Shoot, I guess the articles I read were off. Good find.

The Saint's truly are screwed then. Even if they blow all their cap, they could only offer Brees $18 mil a year when he's asking for $20. That's great. :lol: Then if they backload his deal, he'll be counting towards $22-24 million against their cap in later years. Jeez, the Saints* are fuged.

[KendrickPanther]

What I hope happens is they Franchise him, he signs the tender. Sits out of Camp and comes back for the 4th preseason game. Everyone on the team hates his guts and the locker room is a mess. Then the following year he either walks or gets an even bigger deal. I just want maximum angst in the locker room. I have no doubts he will play, I just hope he gets a late start and the team is a mess by week 2.

I'm hoping we catch the Saints* early when the team is in chaos and then late when their season is over.

I may be wrong but I don't think Nick Toon could restructure for at least 3 years.

[KendrickPanther]

But then again isn't the rookie cap considered separate from the Veteran cap?

[fieryprophet]

This doesn't get discussed enough regarding Brees' contract, but how will his teammates feel when the bill comes due and several of them start becoming casualty cuts? You know they'll all realize where their money and livelihoods are going to pay for, and that will mess up a lot of that "Saint Drew" image he has cultivated.

[La Pantera]

But then again isn't the rookie cap considered separate from the Veteran cap?

I think so, not 100% on that...and the part in your previous post about Toon Restructuring? It wont be Toon, rather a Vet. It may come down to cutting someone

[Donald LaFell]

wheter he signs or not i do not care

[Gallagher]

What I hope happens is they Franchise him, he signs the tender. Sits out of Camp and comes back for the 4th preseason game. Everyone on the team hates his guts and the locker room is a mess. Then the following year he either walks or gets an even bigger deal. I just want maximum angst in the locker room. I have no doubts he will play, I just hope he gets a late start and the team is a mess by week 2.

I'm thinking that this is the most likely scenario.

[rayzor]

We better all pray that the Saints*** do NOT pay him what he wants either.

(not because he doesn't deserve it)

But because we will be in this same predicament with our Franchise QB after the 2015 season, assuming we:

a) don't sign him long term prior to then

B) pick up his option and pay him the avg of the top 5 QB's salaries in the League for the 2015 season

All imsaying is be careful how you're acting now, because Karma is a bitch...

Back to flaming the Saints**** and Breezy*

won't be at all the same situation mainly because of brees being a free agent acquisition who had been tagged previously and i can't see us waiting until time to tag to get a deal done.

Saints* are essentially writing the book on how not to deal with the QB that saved your franchise.

i think it also has a lot to do with brees just being a putz and a weasel of epic proportions...we just didn't know it.

[KendrickPanther]

To me, Brees is saying "I already got my ring now all I care about is money".

[Chaos]

Deep down in places Breezus doesnt talk about at parties, he hates his dirty corrupt franchise. May they all rot in hell.

[panthers55]

First of all any long-term contract could fit under the cap for this year although as others have said, future years will put him well over 22 million a year.

Second, Brees will hold out because with Payton gone he really doesn't have a ton of motivation to play this year. Plus the last time he played under the tag he got hurt and almost ended his career.

Third- the holding points are the amount of guaranteed money and the length of contract since that is all that they can count on.

[rico6]

I'm proud for Brees, he's sticking to his guns and not selling out. I can truly dig it.

[Marguide]

But then again isn't the rookie cap considered separate from the Veteran cap?

There is a rookie cap, but it is a subset of the overall cap, so yes, rookie money still counts against their cap.

The misconception may be due to how unsigned drafted rookies are handled under the cap. As soon as a player is drafted, they count against the cap at the rookie minimum, and it is only boosted to the actual number after they are signed.

[TheGreatestOfAllTimeCam]

Would be shocked if he's not under center for 16 weeks this season for the Taints