unions coming to college ball

[mav1234]

Most academic achievement-based scholarships disappear if the individual stops performing as the university expects... so it's not like the athletic scholarships that go away if a student athlete stops playing are unique.  Both are contingent on the student performing as the university expects.

[Peppers90 NC]

lol

 

any reasoning behind that or are you just throwing this gem out there so we can get to know you better?

yes, in short:  who gets how much money?  do non- revenue generating athletes also get paid?  Is there a set salary?  Do big schools pay more than small schools?  There is just too much BS to figure out to make this work.  Most athletes won't go pro, but they still have an education and that has value.  I would say stipends for traveling could be looked at but beyond that, I don't thing anyone can argue strong enough to pay student athletes to open this can of worms.

[Jangler]

I keep reading the title as unicorns coming to college ball. 

[Happy Panther]

While salary is an issue, things like workers comp, injury trusts and fair negotiations are the driver.

 

Good article here:

 

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/10678393/nlrb-director-decision-follows-road-map-laid-northwestern-quarterback-kain-colter-legal-team

[SmokinwithWilly]

If this goes national, I see a few things happening. 

 

1. Minor league teams will form and be affiliated with a NFL team. They will be used much like MLB as a farm system to pull players from and send down during the course of the regular season

 

2. College athletes will be held to a much higher academic standard than they are today. You don't make the GPA requirement, you don't get paid. 

 

3. College players will now be considered employees. Since they are being paid to play for a 4 year term, that is what they will have to devote their life too. They will be required to pay for any classes, food, lodging, health care, etc that they receive. 

 

4. Players will be penalized severely for leaving early. Breaking a 4 year contract won't come cheap

 

It looks like to me, these guys are thinking short term. The average NFL career is 4-5 years. 75-78% of NFL players file bankruptcy within 5 years of leaving the NFL. So chances are, by the age of 32, there are going to be a lot of guys that are going to end up broke, without some type of collegiate education, and unable to support themselves in a reasonable manner.

 

As a society, I think we should be appalled at the notion that we aren't truly education our kids about what happens in the real world. Bodies break, contracts fall through, things rarely work out as planned. If we want our kids to be more than just meat in the grinder, then we need to teach them that college is a way to plan for the future, instead of a chance to play for today. 

[TN05]

I feel so sorry for these players... it is just awful they have to suffer through a free ride through college. Demand justice!

[Silent Majority]

"Free ride"? Lmfao. People are getting dumber.

[BlackCnqstdr]

If this goes national, I see a few things happening. 

 

1. Minor league teams will form and be affiliated with a NFL team. They will be used much like MLB as a farm system to pull players from and send down during the course of the regular season

 

2. College athletes will be held to a much higher academic standard than they are today. You don't make the GPA requirement, you don't get paid. 

 

3. College players will now be considered employees. Since they are being paid to play for a 4 year term, that is what they will have to devote their life too. They will be required to pay for any classes, food, lodging, health care, etc that they receive. 

 

4. Players will be penalized severely for leaving early. Breaking a 4 year contract won't come cheap

 

It looks like to me, these guys are thinking short term. The average NFL career is 4-5 years. 75-78% of NFL players file bankruptcy within 5 years of leaving the NFL. So chances are, by the age of 32, there are going to be a lot of guys that are going to end up broke, without some type of collegiate education, and unable to support themselves in a reasonable manner.

 

As a society, I think we should be appalled at the notion that we aren't truly education our kids about what happens in the real world. Bodies break, contracts fall through, things rarely work out as planned. If we want our kids to be more than just meat in the grinder, then we need to teach them that college is a way to plan for the future, instead of a chance to play for today. 

 

1.It could happen and I think it should but I doubt it, why would the NFL form a minor league when they have a free one?

 

2. No chance of this happening because the colleges want the athletes playing

 

3. They already devote their lives to it, and they won't have to pay for anything because again the colleges want to be attractive to the athlete

 

4. Who said anything about 4 year contracts?  They don't get 4 year scholarships now.

[osd22]

Bye-bye NCAA!

What a mess this is going to turn into. But players should be compensated fairly for their labor, because few have the ability to make it to the pros and many of these student-athletes will have nothing to show for their college experience besides some great memories and a ton of health problems later in life, meanwhile, the fat-cats are getting fatter and set for life.

 

Correct me if I am wrong please, but don`t they get "paid" by receiving scholarships for playing ball?! These scholarships are worth $100k+. Or am I missing something?

[Wyank]

Correct me if I am wrong please, but don`t they get "paid" by receiving scholarships for playing ball?! These scholarships are worth $100k+. Or am I missing something?

 

Yes.  That is one of the points the players used to prove they are employees.

 

In its endeavor to have college football players be recognized as essential workers, CAPA likened scholarships to employment pay --  too little pay from its point of view. Northwestern balked at that claim, describing scholarship as grants.

 

[Luke Cage]

Pay the "student athletes". Then make them pay for their education out of those earnings. Oh and btw, cultural studies of basket weaving rainforest tribes is no longer a valid major and you are expected to actually show up to legitimate classes and get a passing grade you earned for yourself. Good luck boys.

That argument is invalid.

1) playing d1 football is a 40 hour a week job on top of your normal course work

2) a lot of those guys take classes like basketball weaving bc they don't have time to study since they are preparing to entertain the masses year round

3) they practice entirely too much. Cut practice time and film study in half and then come talk about how they need to pass legit classes.

When I was at college I had to use the montgomery gi bill my first semester which meant I had to work 40 hours a week to make rent. It sucked a fat dick bc I was taking classes that actually required studying. After they changed to the post 911 gi bill things got a lot easier.

Work plus school is hard. And playing football is work.

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[Inimicus]

You're joking, right?

 

Star athletes can get free room and board in a dorm, free meals, the best training facility to use for free, a free education, free trips all over the country, free publicity, free access to the team doctor, a free rise in popularity on campus, etc. Just what the hell do they need any money for? Beer? Condoms? If you mean the athletes on the golf team, the swim team, the track stars, etc. then yes ... they don't get the same swag. Which is why paying them all can't work, because they'll want just as much as a star basketball player gets.

 

What about a genius who gets a free ride in the physics department? What if his work gives the school grants and attracts other genius students to the school which can give them more money. It can bring it better professors if the school gets a rep as the place to learn. Those kids study their ASS off. Should they get some money?

 

They already do get money.

 

 

Colleges and Universities regularly give out stipends to their "5 star" students to help with living expenses.

 

From Stanford's web site:

http://studentaffairs.stanford.edu/sfs/bill/overviews-stipends

 

Stipends are funds given to students who meet strict eligibility requirements. Stipends are not loans. Stipends are approved and issued by academic departments and/or financial aid offices.

• Stipends may go directly to the student or be applied to pay certain educational expenses on the University bill.
• Stipends are only processed to student accounts. Exceptions are made for Federal Parent Loans for Undergraduate Students (PLUS Loans).
• Stipends are available on or after the first day of classes for students who are enrolled.

For eligibility requirements, students should contact their academic department advisor or Financial Aid Office.

 

[Happy Panther]

Just noting that this would give them the right to vote on it. Possible some schools would vote against it maybe

[SmokinwithWilly]

1.It could happen and I think it should but I doubt it, why would the NFL form a minor league when they have a free one?

 

2. No chance of this happening because the colleges want the athletes playing

 

3. They already devote their lives to it, and they won't have to pay for anything because again the colleges want to be attractive to the athlete

 

4. Who said anything about 4 year contracts?  They don't get 4 year scholarships now.

I think you're assuming they are still student athletes, correct me if  I'm wrong. 

 

I'm saying they are no longer students of the college, they are now paid employees. Changing designation changes all the rules. I wouldn't hand over 50k (I'm just picking a number) to a player, in addition to the other things they get, without putting a contract into place. 

 

1.When colleges have to pay players, there has to be some way to pay for it. Either programs at the school are going to be cut to compensate, or there will be another way to pay for it. It's not going to be free. 

 

2.Colleges want athletes to perform, not arguing with that, but there will be conditions. The more money you invest into someone, the more you expect. If they don't perform, then colleges will find someone who will. 

 

3. Again, I'm saying these are no longer students but rather employees. Employees will be treated differently. If I'm paying someone to play football, they can go to class on their own time. On my clock, you belong to me. 

 

4. I seriously doubt a college is going to invest more money into a player without a contract. Colleges won't want to be treated as just a stepping stone when they are having to shell out millions to players. 

 

Colleges won't just roll over and take this. When money starts changing hands, the system will change. High school kids will have agents, attorneys will be involved, and the costs will go up. I'm looking at this from a business standpoint. Treating guys as just "students" when they demand financial compensation is ludicrous. If they want it to be treated like a business, then they can't complain when they are treated like an employee.