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Sure but their drumbeat that we don't know ball is thick right now

There were fans ready to give Kyle Allen $20 mil a year after 3 games. There were fans ready to give PJ Walker an opportunity to start a whole season.

Nystrom I believe

Need to pepper this goalie.

Well..get ready..barring injury, phantom or otherwise, he will be the starter. No one else to turn to.

Was that the worst loss of season for Carolina Panthers? You better believe it Scott Fowler [email protected] 29 mins ago If the Carolina Panthers wanted to stick a pin into Charlotte and deflate the whole city, they certainly did so on Sunday. The Panthers had suffered some poor losses already this season. Buffalo beat them by 31; New England by 29. But Sunday’s 17-7 loss to the New Orleans Saints before a dispirited crowd in Bank of America Stadium looked and felt worse than any other loss this season for Carolina. This was a helmet-slamming, boo-raining, turnover-making testament to badly coached and played football by the home team. I’d label this one as the biggest letdown of the season, mainly because of the quality of the opponent. New Orleans came into the game 1-8 and was starting a rookie quarterback who had zero NFL wins. But the Saints outplayed the Panthers so thoroughly — outgaining the Panthers 388-175 — that Carolina was booed off the field at halftime and again in the fourth quarter. Carolina dropped to 5-5, looking again like the sadly familiar team that has posted losing records every year since 2017. Where were the feel-good Panthers that had upset Green Bay at Lambeau Field a week before? They apparently never got on the plane. Carolina Panthers made New Orleans rookie quarterback Tyler Shough look like Drew Brees, as he threw for two touchdowns and 282 yards, including monstrous plays of 52 and 62 yards. The Saints decided to stop Rico Dowdle by crowding the box with eight defenders and daring quarterback Bryce Young to beat them. Young and the Panthers receivers never came close to doing it. Instead, it was Young who looked like the rookie quarterback Sunday — jittery and overwhelmed — and Shough who resembled a veteran. And it was Panthers coach Dave Canales who seemed unprepared as to how to adjust to a Saints team that challenged the Panthers receivers with one-on-one coverage and completely blanketed them. I forgot starting receiver Xavier Legette (zero receptions, zero yards, zero impact) was even in the game until he was called for a penalty. Carolina only had a single play of 15 yards or longer all day. The 2-15 Panthers of 2023 would have had a decent shot at beating these 2025 Panthers on Sunday. “Not our brand of football,” Dowdle said. “It sucks,” Young said. “I’ve got to do a better job,” Canales said. All true. A week after a win and Dowdle’s 130 rushing yards disguised Carolina’s serious passing game deficiencies against Green Bay, there was nowhere to hide Sunday. Other than rookie Tetairoa McMillan, Young (17-for-25 for 124 yards, no TDs, one interception) seemed disconnected from the entire offense. Young also got fooled by a fake blitz and threw a horrible fourth-quarter interception directly to the Saints’ Alontae Taylor. “Bad read, bad ball, 100% my fault,” said Young, who came to the sideline and slammed his helmet down after that one. Young also threw another interception on Carolina’s first and only touchdown drive in the first quarter, but was fortunate to have that one negated by penalty. His botched handoff on a jet sweep to Jimmy Horn Jr. resulted in a turnover inside the New Orleans 20. Although Young took responsibility for that fumble, Horn said it was actually his fault. “I’ve got to grab the ball,” he said. “I take full accountability for all that.” Both Panthers players with the surname “Horn” were on the wrong side of big plays Sunday. Cornerback Jaycee Horn, in one-on-one coverage with Chris Olave, lost a hand-fighting battle, fell down and allowed Olave to score on a 62-yard catch-and-run. Olave then added insult to injury by jumping into the premium end zone seating alongside Panther fans to celebrate. Said Ekwonu: “We just weren’t locked into the small details. A couple guys spoke about it. Coach (Canales) spoke about it throughout the week. And you can’t get days back. If you have a tough day on Thursday, tough day on Friday, or whatever, you can always look forward. But you can’t get that day back. So that preparation, or lack thereof, is going to add up. And unfortunately, that just cultivated to what we saw today.” Dowdle, who ran for a modest 53 yards on 18 carries, was swarmed on nearly every play and said he was facing a “heavy box” from the first snap of the game. “They were basically trying to overmatch our personnel,” Dowdle said, noting that the Saints simply brought in one defensive lineman after another as Carolina failed to punish New Orleans with the passing game. Dowdle was asked if he thought the Saints were “hungrier” Sunday. He responded that he didn’t think so, but admitted: “You watch the film, maybe that’s what it might look like.” In any case, Carolina blew a huge opportunity, losing at home to a 1-8 team in what theoretically should have been the most winnable game the team has left. Of course, these Panthers have defied expectations before, both for better and for worse. But on abysmal days like this one, Canales’ relentless postgame optimism does seem misplaced. The coach seemed determined to take all the blame himself for not putting the Panthers into better offensive plays. Of Bryce Young, Canales said: “I think he’s throwing the ball great.” Of Legette: “I think X is running fast. He’s doing everything we ask of him.” Really? Then how come the Panthers’ final nine drives of the game went punt-punt-punt-punt-end of half-blocked field goal-lost fumble-interception-lost on downs? There’s nothing great about that. That’s not what anyone was asking for, except the Saints. I won’t pick on Canales too much, as this was very much a team loss and he wasn’t the one out there making the turnovers. But this a Panthers team that needs to stay humble and realize this reality: Even on its best days, it’s barely good enough to win in the NFL. There can be no letups. No letdowns. And nothing like what we saw Sunday, which was an embarrassment.

We don't always. Sometimes it goes our way. I don’t think we will go winless. Possible but not probable.

10 years ago, Bryce would not have sniffed Day 1 or Day 2 and would probably be holding a clip board right now, bc he is a pretty intelligent guy by most accounts. Like Kellen Moore

Bryce has sucked for more than the last month basically. There were plenty of non-black-and-white arguments about Bryce---too many in my opinion.

Probably need to acknowledge that both OL and DL got punched in the mouth today. The delay blitzes into line gaps should have been stopped at some point but the staff and players had no answers. The Saints came in with confidence and did not let up. We acted like it wasn't fair that they wouldn't let us win.

Whoever is the best FA QB should start next week. Can't believe the locker room is ok with continuing with Young.

I said it the day we drafted Bryce, what we gave up to get him will put at the bottom half of the league for 6 years. It will be 6 years before we become a team that has the possibility to win a couple playoff games. We are 3 years in. Next year will be wasted with Bryce, and a QB will then be drafted. You need 2 more years to to get that QB adjusted to make a run for the SB. I have said this ad nauseam here, if Tepper is the owner this team will not be a legit contender. It will not happen. It starts at the top and people have to accept it. You'll get all kinds of replies saying "there is nothing you can fo to get rid of him." Just because they point out the obvious doesn't make it not true. They think it does, but it doesnt. If Tepper is owner do not get upset about losing. Tepper represents losing. Look into him, dig deep. This team will do nothing with him here. You have to remove the tumor completely. How? I don't know. It is what it is.

We beat the Packers with BY… we are capable of winning games with him at QB. It is our staffs job to get guys prepared. As Ekwonu said in his presser, some guys weren’t taken this game serious. Also, what adjustments were made once we knew what the Saints were doing. Even the commentators mentioned our lack of adjustments to the blitz.

I do agree with you on that. To me, he was purely just brought in to run scout team. Otherwise there wouldn’t have been all the panic to sign White when they did.

I couldn't even take a half this week with the Saints on the other side.

D played solid enough. Horn fell down on both big TDs. Run game was solid enough given the scenario. Stacked box overplaying the rush. We don’t have a NFL QB. Thats the problem. You can only scheme and call around that so much. I’m not a Dave fan but this wasn’t a game I feel he was out coached as much it is simply was he has no real answer when he needs a NFL QB to be one. And it became clear very early the Saints were going to force Bryce to make plays.

The team feeds off the leadership of the quarterback. When the team sees the quarterback’s performance as inadequate as it was today it has to be demoralizing.

This team might only have one or two losses with above-average QB play. The good thing is this team is built well enough we could slot someone in and do well.

Bet he puts up 220 with a TD

that's the thing with canales, he coaches the team like high school JV coach there's no punishment for playing terrible week after week and the players know that it took a "leadership council" meeting to start rico over chuba

I feel like Dalton is getting a ton of poo for one game against a buzz saw with a broke thumb

It's hard to have as putrid of an offense as the Panthers.

No he's not, and there are reasons. Hooker wasn't (isn't) an NFL quarterback. He was fun to watch in college, but a pro career ain't happnin'

I have mixed views on it. I know it was still going on behind the scenes prior to the big rise the last few years. I do think that it will eventually stomp out some of the corruption once regulations develop more and are enforced more. I think there is some shady poo still going on, especially in the NFL but I just don’t think anyone has been held accountable yet. I think in the next 3-5 years there will be a big bust in the NFL where there was collusion at high levels to influence the outcome of certain games/seasons. And when that happens there will be a lot of pissed off big money that will root a lot of the BS out.

Who the fug was it that let Nylander go streaking past them?? I couldn't make the number out.