Manziel Not Impressing

[4Corners]

There's going to be a circus around this guy at all times. My woman is from NE Ohio so I hear about all the Browns crap from her bro in laws and Uncles, etc. 

 

A couple things I've noticed as a person from the outside looking in and really doesn't care if the Brownies win 12 games or 2 games:

 

1. the negative comments by the owner made a week or two ago about him and being a back up were idiotic and right off the bat you are drawing more negative attention to your team and potential franchise player. Stupid move by the owner. 

 

2. Not allowing the national media in during the OTAS/mini camp or whatever it was I thought was a good move. Ease in the media circus and ESPN around the clock coverage. Just allowing the local guys to come helped them get their feet wet. The Browns (and a lot of it's players) are going to experience a lot of media coverage this year and they aren't used to it. It's easy for a lot of those guys to get in over their heads and same something stupid. 

[Thal]

Sorry. Wrong.

There was a pretty extensive discussion - and defense - of Geno Smith prior to last year's draft. I'm a fan of his because I'm a big WVU homer. Sadly, he had the misfortune of going to the Jets, so who knows what'll happen there? I hope he succeeds, but that team is a dumpster fire.

RG3 has defenders on here too, though not as many. The general consensus is that he's a track guy playing football. Most believe his body won't take the pounding and he'll be out of the game after a relatively short career.

On the flipside, I'm not a fan of Manziel at all. I just know enough about football to be smarter than to make long term judgments based on a couple of days minicamp when a guy is a rookie.

I don't remember people here defending geno. There were maybe a couple of guys who tried their best to defend him but they were pretty much overwhelmed. They don't seem to post here lately. As for RG3, the hatred toward him is beyond reproach and they mostly pretend they're doing it for Cam to mask their motive. I can tell what this fan base is all about. Athletic is not the only thing that bring them here.

[LinvilleGorge]

That's not true. The huddle wasn't pro Cam during the draft process. Stop using Cam as a Martyr. Cam's issues had a lot to do with race. Manziel doesn't have that problem.

Yes, Cam's "issues" has everything to do with race. That explains why the media latched onto Russell Wilson's and RG3's nuts immediately.

You somehow come off dumber with each and every post you make. That's pretty amazing. I would've thought you would've had to have bottomed out by now.

[Panthercougar68]

Being a Jet isn't 'a good spot'.

 

Fixed :)

[B.BERSIN]

Hope Connor Shaw could beat him.

[stirs]

Wilcott says they Brownies will be running a read option and if so, then Manziel could handle it better than Hoyer I suppose

[Mr. Scot]

I don't remember people here defending geno. There were maybe a couple of guys who tried their best to defend him but they were pretty much overwhelmed. They don't seem to post here lately. As for RG3, the hatred toward him is beyond reproach and they mostly pretend they're doing it for Cam to mask their motive. I can tell what this fan base is all about. Athletic is not the only thing that bring them here.

I suspect you remember things however you want them to be, so no shock :rolleyes:

And I seriously doubt anybody here 'hates' RG3. They just don't think he's that good.

Maybe that's enough to constitute 'hate' in your mind, but most of us don't take it that seriously.

[hepcat]

Manziel could be a good QB in the NFL, but his chances of doing so are greatly, greatly reduced by playing for the Cleveland Browns.  And no poo, a 6 year veteran (Hoyer) is performing better than a rookie?  WOW that is insightful.

 

I hope the best for the guy - he doesn't deserve to be castrated before he's even played a single game.  This is ridiculous.    

[Mr. Scot]

Manziel could be a good QB in the NFL, but his chances of doing so are greatly, greatly reduced by playing for the Cleveland Browns. And no poo, a 6 year veteran (Hoyer) is performing better than a rookie? WOW that is insightful.

I hope the best for the guy - he doesn't deserve to be castrated before he's even played a single game. This is ridiculous.

I think he'll be lousy

But it's absolutely too soon to know for sure. That's not even a question.

At this point, frankly I'm bored with the whole discussion. It's not like there's anything concrete to judge by yet Its all just a whole lot of back and forth speculation.

[Jangler]

yes, random alter egos are random...

[Riverboat Ron]

Welp, since he did poorly guess they should cut him and start over.

[carolina-chuck]

Jimmy was ahead of Cam too.

[KillerKat]

Jimmy was ahead of Cam too.

Did our GM say Jimmy was ahead of Cam by a substantial margin?

[gettlemanjack]

Browns coach Mike Pettine today to ESPN:

on Manziel:

“First of all, I don’t think we’ve ever said we don’t want him running around. We’re going to put him in situations where he can execute an offense that will give us the best chance to win,” Pettine said.

“We’re going to take advantage of his mobility. You don’t take a guy that’s made a living being a mobile quarterback and tell him all of a sudden he has to be a statue. When he’s in there, and we have actually things set for him in a game plan, there’ll be things to take advantage of things he can do with his feet.”

note that the Brown's new offensive coordinator is Kyle Shanahan, who ran a read-option offense the last two years with RGIII at the Redskins

also, earlier this month the new Redskins coach, Jay Gruden, says he is going away from the read-option, and RGIII said he is ‘all for’ the reduction of the read option in the Redskins offense

Gruden was asked about the use of the read option in Washington’s offense next season:

“We’ll have sprinkles here and there. It’s not going to be a major part. I want to make sure that we have other things that we can do besides the read option, because it takes a toll. You have to practice it a lot to be very good at it. It kind of takes away from the defense’s ability a little bit, it takes away from other plays that you need to work on, your protection schemes, your running game, all that stuff. It just takes away from that. So we want to make sure that we work on the core running game that we have, the core drop-back passes we have. And then once we get going, we get those implemented, maybe sprinkle in some read option.”

Asked how he felt about the read option in only “sprinkles,” RGIII is in support of it:

“It’s coach’s decision,” he said Thursday on NFL Network . “Last year we ran it a lot. If he wants to use a sprinkle, a dash, whatever he decides, that’s his take, and I’m all for it.

“I know guys like myself have used that attack our whole careers, so it’s part of our game. At the same time, it’s not like we live and die by it.”