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We are lucky that Shula and Chud were Cam's first QB coaches and OCs. They helped Cam become a real NFL caliber QB. They never served him up a gimmicky college offense (as a base offense) and they never encouraged a Kaep/RG3 style 'one read then take off running' offense in order to "play to his strengths."

Having said that, with Shula's play calling and lack of situational awareness, I wish he would go the way of Chud. He called a decent game yesterday though.

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So, Shula is your guy, huh?

 

Good luck with that.

shula is not "my guy". i don't care about offensive ocordinators.

what i do know is that it doesn't matter what play a coordinator calls, you're not going to know if it is going to work or not until the defense lines up before the snap.

what happens then falls on the center and qb to recognize/change protections and plays.

...and this isn't an attempt to throw everyone else under the bus and give shula a pass.

it's an attempt to get people to realize that outside of the offensive coordinator picking a play, there's a lot of moving parts that dictate wether or not a play is going to ultimately work.

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The best thing about watching the Carolina offense:

Seeing Cam Newton actually look at defenses and check out of the called play. It shows growth and progress.

 

The worst thing about watching the Carolina offense:

Knowing Shula's playcalling requires Cam Newton to have an alternative couple of plays in mind when he walks to the line of scrimmage. It shows a complete lack of awareness.

Actually your post tells me about your lack of awareness but you are not alone.  Shula calls a play based on what defense he thinks they will face after watching film on an opponents tendencies based on down and distance.  Cam can proceed with the play if in fact they line up in that defense, call a variation of the same play to take advantage of what the defense is doing if they are playing a wide 9 for example and pressuring the outside  or call a different play totally.  For example if the defense shows 2 high safeties then most times we will get out of a passing play and go to a run play on lets say 3rd and less than 4.  But if they load the box and play a single high safety then you audible out of the running play and put a man in motion to see if they are playing zone or man and find the guy who gets single coverage and throw to him.

 

What Shula has are many plays which can be run out of the same formation and what Cam actually calls  is based on what was installed for this game, what he sees pre-snap and what we want to accomplish.  But lack of awareness is even close to accurate.

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Yeah, it's a shame 4 games and a month does not a season make. Sheesh.

 

totally wrong again.  What happened in the past 4 weeks is that the line started to gell, the running game came together and the defense starting playing tough again.  Things that Shula and the Panthers have based their offense on.  Our personnel started to match our objectives, it has little to do with him being more creative or changing. 

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 Our personnel started to match our objectives...

 

Right. Instead of designing an offensive identity to maximize the potential of the players on the roster, design an offense and, roster be damned, this is what we're gonna do. Just think what would have happened had they started with objectives to match the players instead of vice versa.

 

Putting the cart before the horse.

 

But never mind the facts, keep drinking the KoolAid.

 

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