What traits are you looking for in the new WR'S.

[panthers55]

Simply isn't true. Give me a football player over a track star any day of the week. You can make someone catch better, but you can't coach great hands. Beckham has enormous hands, it's not by coaching that he catches everything.

How many size/speed guys come into the league and flop?

Bob Hayes says you are wrong.  Give me a guy who runs a 4.3 and drops too many passes over a guy who has good hands and runs a 5.0 any day.  And no we were not talking about pure track stars over football players as you want the conversation to morph into.  We are saying that you can't teach a guy to be big and fast but you can teach a guy to run a route and concentrate on the ball.

FWIW how many guys who are short and have no speed even make it to the NFL if we are using that type of argument. 

 

As for Beckham- he ran a 4.3 40 time so he fits the speed dimension so why use him as a counter argument which further illustrates my point that you need size or speed, hopefully both.  But without one or the other you dont even make it to the NFL. Fun fact: both his mom and father were track stars. LOL

[KillerKat]

Doesn't drop so many balls and always finishes routes and can get separation.

[saints4life25]

Bob Hayes says you are wrong. Give me a guy who runs a 4.3 and drops too many passes over a guy who has good hands and runs a 5.0 any day. And no we were not talking about pure track stars over football players as you want the conversation to morph into. We are saying that you can't teach a guy to be big and fast but you can teach a guy to run a route and concentrate on the ball.

FWIW how many guys who are short and have no speed even make it to the NFL if we are using that type of argument.

As for Beckham- he ran a 4.3 40 time so he fits the speed dimension so why use him as a counter argument which further illustrates my point that you need size or speed, hopefully both. But without one or the other you dont even make it to the NFL. Fun fact: both his mom and father were track stars. LOL

Lol. You said, "anyone can be taught to run routes and catch". That's simply not true. Look at the OBJ and Watkins comparison this year. Where did OBJ beat him as far as size - speed measurements went? Nowhere. But you can't teach somebody the quick twitch that Beckham has. Beckham create natural separation in the way he runs his routes and his fluidity. His hands are massive and he catches everything.

While I realize I'm comparing two pretty outstanding prospects, just looking at size-speed, one would say that Watkins was the better prospect. I never felt that way. OBJ was always going to be special. I saw it his first snap at LSU. There are things you can't teach. If all somebody had to be was big and fast, Jeremy Hill would have played last year.

I know Beckhams parents were track stars.

[TheNewStandard]

We need to get Eddie Royal

[panthers55]

Lol. You said, "anyone can be taught to run routes and catch". That's simply not true. Look at the OBJ and Watkins comparison this year. Where did OBJ beat him as far as size - speed measurements went? Nowhere. But you can't teach somebody the quick twitch that Beckham has. Beckham create natural separation in the way he runs his routes and his fluidity. His hands are massive and he catches everything.

While I realize I'm comparing two pretty outstanding prospects, just looking at size-speed, one would say that Watkins was the better prospect. I never felt that way. OBJ was always going to be special. I saw it his first snap at LSU. There are things you can't teach. If all somebody had to be was big and fast, Jeremy Hill would have played last year.

I know Beckhams parents were track stars.

You clearly miss the point which is God gives players certain gifts that you have through genetics.  Other things are acquired during your lifetime.  For most folks you are limited by your physical attributes more so than you are by those attributes you can acquire. That is the point.  Stop being so argumentative particularly when you are arguing a point that I already stated was needed.  Size of hands fits under the size category- those god given gifts which I said you can't teach.

 

And we can all find exceptions to the rule or guys who had the size and speed and failed.  But as I noted, most players who dont have size or speed don't make it to the NFl to begin with.  So again why keep arguing?  

[Ivan The Awesome]

Hand eye coordination and route running. Also explosion off the line. I rather have a guy with average speed and hands than a speedy guy that drops everything.

[Mojo]

Eddie Royal in FA. Great route runner/hands in draft. Will take us to the next level.

[ThPantherFan]

Ability to catch the ball and then run.

[La Pantera]

one word. "PLAYMAKER". we need someone who is a threat to score everytime they touch the ball.

[CelticCat]

Hand eye coordination and route running. Also explosion off the line. I rather have a guy with average speed and hands than a speedy guy that drops everything.

 

So say for example that kid outta UFC over Sammie Coates?

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

YAC-ability 

[FattyFatFat]

The ability to kill a yak with mind bullets.

That's telekinesis, Kyle.

[panthers55]

Hand eye coordination and route running. Also explosion off the line. I rather have a guy with average speed and hands than a speedy guy that drops everything.

The problem with that logic is you can teach a guy to catch the ball but your guy will never get any faster and with age will slow down ever more. Look at what Proehl did Ginn for example. If he stayed here he would have improved even more.

[GamecockSmitty4]

I like for their first name to be Tyler and their last name to be Lockett.