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Mr. Scot Grand Master

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This is so confusing to me....

No confusion. It's just wrong.

Voth has already confirmed that we are indeed interested as long as he's clear (which there is every indication he will be).

The whole "Jerry will never let us sign him" bit is just silly.

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stirs Grand Master

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If the Panthers think he has quick enough feet, then we will speak with him once he is cleared.

 

UDFA's are free after 2 seasons if I am not mistaken, better than getting drafted cause he gets to the big money faster.

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The only financial difference will be signing bonus money. Teams can only pay out $86,957 in total to UDFAs this year. We gave $15,000 of that to Miley, not sure about the others though.

 

This was why I was wondering what the rules would be about "extending" him imediately.  Lets say they tell him, we'll sign you, and immediately "extend you" for 1 year (so instead of a 3 year deal, it's now a 4 year deal), with a big signing bonus and guaranteed money tied to the 4th year, in essense giving him a bigger payday.  If that is a possibility, then things get even more interesting because if I can think of this as a random joe schmo, I'm sure most GM's have thought about this too.  With that said though, I admittingly don't know all the rules with the CBA so I don't know whether or not that would even be allowed.

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The only financial difference will be signing bonus money. Teams can only pay out $86,957 in total to UDFAs this year. We gave $15,000 of that to Miley, not sure about the others though.

However, we - like every other team - can fully guarantee his 3 year contract which would get him something like $1.5M. So with that in mind, I think our ability to "max" the $85K signing bonus is irrelevant.

 

It really comes down to where he wants to play and all of the factors that are important to him. We do seem to be near the top considerations given our whole situation. We shall see. If I were him, I would NOT want to miss rookie camp this friday and would make a decision by Thursday morning. But that's just me...and in case you guys didn't know...I don't play in the NFL.

 

Although to be fair, Desmond Howard only beat me out by 2,077 votes for the Heisman in 1991. I was THAT close.

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This was why I was wondering what the rules would be about "extending" him imediately.  Lets say they tell him, we'll sign you, and immediately "extend you" for 1 year (so instead of a 3 year deal, it's now a 4 year deal), with a big signing bonus and guaranteed money tied to the 4th year, in essense giving him a bigger payday.  If that is a possibility, then things get even more interesting because if I can think of this as a random joe schmo, I'm sure most GM's have thought about this too.  With that said though, I admittingly don't know all the rules with the CBA so I don't know whether or not that would even be allowed.

I read somewhere that he can't be extended until his 2nd year.

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No confusion. It's just wrong.

Voth has already confirmed that we are indeed interested as long as he's clear (which there is every indication he will be).

The whole "Jerry will never let us sign him" bit is just silly.

 

It was just funny wording.

 

Using JR and "us" differently.

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You're not thinking this through. It doesn't matter if we view him as tackle, guard, center, long snapper, or quarterback. We would be getting a first round talent for free. There's literally no risk here at all which is why all 32 teams want him.

 

Yes I have thought it through.

 

I get the value of the guy, but so does every other team.  Regardless of how bad we do or don't want him we have to have something enticing to offer him.  The Panthers just arent a destination if a guy gets to choose his spot.  Sorry but its the same with the Hornets.  Too many big markets to choose from to select a "perceived" 2nd tier franchise.

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This was why I was wondering what the rules would be about "extending" him imediately. Lets say they tell him, we'll sign you, and immediately "extend you" for 1 year (so instead of a 3 year deal, it's now a 4 year deal), with a big signing bonus and guaranteed money tied to the 4th year, in essense giving him a bigger payday. If that is a possibility, then things get even more interesting because if I can think of this as a random joe schmo, I'm sure most GM's have thought about this too. With that said though, I admittingly don't know all the rules with the CBA so I don't know whether or not that would even be allowed.

UDFAs are locked into 3-year deals, and those can't be altered until after year 2. Once two years pass, however, he can be extended/re-negotiated.

Of course the team still holds all the leverage, because if they don't extend him he becomes a restricted free agent after 3 years.

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