What DO we run? What SHOULD we run?

[Mr. Scot]

Maybe the Browns will bring Shula in to be their head coach next year.....

Surely no team would be dumb enough to hire our OC as a hea...wait...

[Moorgan]

This article points out that now pro offenses all pretty much run the same plays and that the significant difference is in how the plays are communicated.

http://grantland.com/features/how-terminology-erhardt-perkins-system-helped-maintain-dominance-tom-brady-patriots/

That article is very interesting. Simplification often leads to efficiency and this effectiveness. Like Mr Scot pointed out, I have no idea what scheme fits our personnel best but I know I want one that is easy to learn and easy to communicate.

We have a saying in the army that applies here: Slow is smooth and smooth is fast.

The more deliberate you are the more comfortable you become. The more comfortable you become the faster you execute. This would seem a paramount in football. Just like you often here about trained professionals in a crisis situation, "I fell back on my training" or some such variable of that, you get a clear mind that can execute with fluidity.

a "clunky" system clutters the mind and slows execution creating hesitation. Hesitation gets people killed or in this case an interception or something similarly disastrous.

Bottom line, give me a system focused on simplicity and efficiency. That way your $100 million dollar man can do what's best in every situation and earn that money.

[Mr. Scot]

That article is very interesting. Simplification often leads to efficiency and this effectiveness. Like Mr Scot pointed out, I have no idea what scheme fits our personnel best but I know I want one that is easy to learn and easy to communicate.

We have a saying in the army that applies here: Slow is smooth and smooth is fast.

The more deliberate you are the more comfortable you become. The more comfortable you become the faster you execute. This would seem a paramount in football. Just like you often here about trained professionals in a crisis situation, "I fell back on my training" or some such variable of that, you get a clear mind that can execute with fluidity.

a "clunky" system clutters the mind and slows execution creating hesitation. Hesitation gets people killed or in this case an interception or something similarly disastrous.

Bottom line, give me a system focused on simplicity and efficiency. That way your $100 million dollar man can do what's best in every situation and earn that money.

I show my flag kids a picture of a play, they find their numbers and I say "do this".

That's it.

Somehow I don't think that approach would work for the Panthers, but I'm sure some wiseacre will say that's more complex than what Shula does :)

[CRA]

I don't think Shula really fits into any box currently....don't think he really knows what to do honestly.  I think he knows that his QB should push his offense into new directions and that just seems too much for Shula to tackle...

I think ideally, with a young Cam....you would want a young offensive mind and have him in some variation of a spread offense 

[CRA]

I can tell ya this much: We don't have the receivers to run a WCO, and our OL aren't well suited to it either.

There are definitely smart people who want us to go that route, but it'd mean some retooling.

Cam IMO simply isn't a WCO QB. 

[KARASMATIC444]

Cam does not have the touch for WCO, he has the tendency to throw burners to close targets. So i think we are running the coryell and should stay with it. We need to catch.

[Ivan The Awesome]

I'm a bit confused now. I thought we ran a Air-Coryell. But BBR is saying we run a conservative Erhardt-Perkins System?

[csx]

Cam does not have the touch for WCO, he has the tendency to throw burners to close targets. So i think we are running the coryell and should stay with it. We need to catch.

He finally showed nice touch on that td pass to Olsen that was called back.

[tiger7_88]

I call our current offense the Pondering Rivera/Shula.  Its purpose is to score points as slowly as possible.  Alternatively, NOT scoring points is OK as long as you burn time off the clock.

What would I prefer we run?  A version of the no-huddle spread.  Our QB ran that type of offense better than anyone in the history of college football.  Greg Olsen would make a killer H-back/TE in that kind of offense.  Tolbert would also fit the straight H-back position.  And our 3 top RBs all have experience and great success in college in that offense.  (I think Wegher also played out of the no-huddle spread in college? if so that would make all 4.)

It will never happen though.  They'd have to fire Shula and institutionalize Rivera to do such a thing.

[panthers55]

What so we run? We run a hybrid offense which includes elements of the Coryell, spread, and Erhart- Perkins. If you had to say what do we run the most it would be the Coryell based on numbering,  route trees and philosophy.

What should we run? Not a WCO which uses timing routes, short passes, and passes to the backs which take the place of normal runs. Our line is built to run block and Cam throw better to receivers than to spotsspots which is the WCO.

What should we run?  I think our hybrid offense it built around Cam's best passes which are straight hard passes over the middle or on the edges. He also throws a decent deep ball although his accuracy deep seems worse than it did 2 years ago. What he struggles with are touch passes leading receivers over the top or outside. He can't drop the ball over the top between linebackers and corners. 

 We are a running ball control offense with passes mixed inin because that is what Cam and the rest of the team do best. I would like us to do more no huddle and more 3 sides to one side and Olsen lined up on the other which lets us run or pass. I like the double TEs as well.

[panthers55]

I'm a bit confused now. I thought we ran a Air-Coryell. But BBR is saying we run a conservative Erhardt-Perkins System?

Thats because the Erhardt-Perkis includes most everything that isnt WCO or Coryell. We ran it before Chud got here. The difference between the Coryell and EP is whether you spread the ball vertically or horizontally. Because of a poor O line we went to more horizontal and intermediate routes. If the O line holds up watch us use more vertical routes this year and stretch down the field

 

[davos]

That's kinda all of them.

Pretty good post, but I'm not so sure I agree with you on Newton having an awesome PA fake.

I personally think Cam, Tannehill, and Eli have the best in the league. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

Could you imagine how awesome this team would be if we were running the offense we had under Chudz with this defense.

What really kills me is Shula was here for that.   I truly believed he was going to keep the same offense and tone it down just a bit so Cam wasn't running so much.

Instead he changed it to this Boring, keep it close B.S. that a rookie Defensive Coordinator could dominate.

To answer the question.  I like the Air Coryell style.

[KendrickPanther]

Our offensive philosophy is a jumbled mess. We have a read option running game with some play action passes. We have some EP running plays that never seem to work because the formation is predictable and the blocking is sub par. We don't really do a ton of Coryell rushing. 

The Coryell philosophy is to threaten the defense with the deep ball so the safeties drop back then you hit them with the running attack. You set up the run with the threat of the pass. That's pretty much the opposite of us. 

We do have some key personnel to make the coryell work: Pass catching Tight End, Big Jump Ball receiver, and strong armed QB. However I do not think our offensive line can block for the time required to get receivers deep. The whole point of the pass happy Coryell is to stress a defense by sending multiple receivers at different levels. Against Seattle in the playoffs last year we quite often had 3 receivers on routes with 7 blocking. That means our three receivers are going against 7-8 defenders and that doesn't create stress. 

You look at the great Coryell offenses and you will see a great offensive line. We can't call ourselves a Coryell offense when we don't invest significant assets into it. 

Another flaw in the coryell offense is the redzone. When your offense is designed to stretch the field vertically, you run out of space in the red zone. From there you need power running, jump ball receivers, and tight ends to get the ball in. We have the tight end but our jump ball guy is hurt and our power running game has always struggled in the redzone. So we end up doing read option with Cam trying to bash his way in.

I would personally like to see us stretch the field horizontally. Create spacing and have a coordinator that can teach Cam to pre snap read. If you watched Marriota's 4 td performance, he really didn't need anyone to block. Three steps and the ball was out to an open receiver. Granted not every team is as bad as Tampa but we've seen Tom Brady do the same thing to us. When you create space horizontally you can scheme guys open. Teams like the Patriots are productive year after year with relatively low talent at receiver.