Josh Norman promises he won't hold out...

[Peppers90 NC]

1 hour ago, jumpman910 said:

Some of yall sound like you're in your feelings like a female.  Good for josh, he shouldn't be asked to take a hometown discount either. 

What are you talking about? No one said anything remotely suggesting that.

[Hammerin'Cameron34]

It would be really cool for Josh if we won the Super Bowl this year

THEN on top of that he gets to bank the biggest CB contract ever from like the Oakland Raiders or something but most likely 49ers :(

[MountainHeel66]

16 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I have zero problems with him wanting to paid as a top CB. 

IMO,  those who get but hurt over this, are two faced, and don't give Josh the respect he deserves. 

To each their own. 

There is a major difference between butt hurt/no respect and disagreeing with a decision. I can see why Josh would feel the way he does, I honestly can. I also don't fault him for feeling that way. I just don't think its the best decision for him or most other top athletes now a days. 

If he were to, saaay, take an offer from a team like the Jags or Raiders a year from now, what do you think will be running through his mind if we are playing for championships and he just went through an 8-10 loss season. How will he feel 4-5 years down the road when he is becoming a shadow of his former self (assuming he is still in the league) and still stuck on a craptastic team that can't do anything right and who are probably shopping him around because they gave him a contract they can't support anymore. Sure the extra money will be a comfort at times, but he will be largely forgotten, his legacy will not be all it could have been, and that few million wont feel as fantastic and wonderful as it once did. 

There is something to be said for looking beyond the moment you are in and thinking long term and about building a legacy. This generation's legacies last about as long as a snapchat photo. Look at a guy like Robinson Cano as a perfect example of what could have been. He has the chance to be the heir apparent in NY, maybe become the next Yankee Captain, etch a legacy alongside the names of Mantle, Bera, Ruth, Gehrig, Jeter and DiMaggio. He was given two MASSIVELY lucrative contract offers that were of similarly ludicrous values. He opted to move to seattle because they gave him a couple more years and a few million more over the lifetime of a 100+million contract. Now he has gone from one of the sports brightest young stars to an after thought. The best player, not producing to his contracts value, on a mediocre team, in a miserable city. He got his money and lost everything else. No stage to make a name on, no loyalty, no feel good story, and went to a ball park that will (and has) kill his stats.

Josh has a stage here on an emerging top NFL team, an association with the heart and attitude of this squad, he's a hometown hero, has the chance to still make more money than he'll ever need, and can put his name down in the lore of great players for this franchise and become one of those names synonymous with the Panthers. Those are the pillars you can build a hall of fame candidacy on. Or you can risk it, throw success out the window and jump to a poor team willing to throw infinite amounts of cash at you now (only to be cut at the first opportunity later) and hit reset on your career arch. Can you still be the best?? Yes, but you're the best on a crappy team, it kills heart and drive, can tank stats, and you're still just a big fish in an obscure, if not comical, pond. Sometimes there is more value in being on the team that will get you more exposure, take a little less money, but still be visible and beloved. That leads to bigger endorsements, more air time and exposure and the perception of a bigger/better career. 

[Montsta]

Josh is a great corner. He is not an "all-time great" corner. He should get paid well but I hope it's not from the Panthers because IMO whatever number he seems to have in his head is far, FAR above what he is actually worth.

Again, I like Josh a lot, but it took him too long to develop and even though he is very good, he's not 24 years old anymore, so the length of the contract is the killer IMO. 

[RoaringRiot]

Josh will get his ring this year.....and then his money the following year.....from Cleveland.

[tondi]

It would be foolish for him to be saying anything else this early in the negotiation process.  Can't give away leverage by agreeing to hometown discounts while your agent is still trying to get you top dollar.

[Kakarot]

I ain't mad at him. He's an underdog; a country boy from the Carolina's who worked his butt off to become one of the best in the game today. He deserves his big pay day, and at his age, he can't afford to take discounts. This might be his last chance at a big pay day. I've already accepted that this will be his last year with us, and I'm ok with it. Hopefully, we get a ring this year. Big Play Bene will transition into that #1 CB role just fine once Josh leaves

[KillerKat]

He should've been playing like an "all-time great" years ago instead of acting like a fool and getting burned all the time. Then he would've had a bigger chance at big money. Not going to happen now.

[CelibatePimp]

I don't see DG paying big money to skill positions unless there isn't any urgent need on the front 7, oline and at QB. DG believes in building a team from inside out. We were able to get to the divisional round with Capt and old ass Florence at cb. We were able to make the superbowl with Cotchery and Ginn as our WRs. I don't see DG making any skill position player the highest paid at the position anytime soon.

Norman's case also is not helped by the fact that he has only played one full season as a top corner, that's not enough in my opinion to make him the highest paid, coupled with the fact that our scheme makes decent DBs look good, I wouldn't pay up if I was DG also.

[Panthro]

He's great but those teams that will pay him more pry won't have the same scheme or front 7. 

I've turned down more money for the same job. Product, people, and processes matter. All those are the same then money

[TheNewStandard]

I still wouldn't rule out a hold-out from him. Nothing surprises me with J-No and his erratic behavior.

no doubt he is one of the better corners in the league...I just want to see what kind of a jump Bene' makes this year because as the G-man says..."the answer could be on the roster.

i fully expect us to draft a corner in the top-3 rounds this year and wouldn't be surprised at all if we drat a safety with our 1st or second pick. 

So maybe Josh becomes expendable with another year of development from Bene' and a fresh crop of young DBs.

Hes just too expensive considering our holes and upcoming FA like KK and some of our linemen.

[firefox1234]

The only real knock on JNo is his age....if he was say 3 or 4 years younger whether or not to give him that big money contract would be a forgone conclusion since he would still have a lot of peak years ahead of him but at 28 going on 29 in December it just makes no sense to sign him to a big contract. Glad to see that he is a cool level headed person about this cause many players have chosen to act the opposite.

[tiger7_88]

Josh should do whatever he can to get as much as he can.  This is likely his one shot at that kind of moolah.  Good for him.  I have no hard feelings AT ALL.

Neither am I going to cry and moan and point the finger at Dave Gettleman when Josh eventually leaves the Panthers (likely sooner rather than later).  These things happen.  Its the BUSINESS of the game.  

[pantherclaw]

2 hours ago, MountainHeel66 said:

There is a major difference between butt hurt/no respect and disagreeing with a decision. I can see why Josh would feel the way he does, I honestly can. I also don't fault him for feeling that way. I just don't think its the best decision for him or most other top athletes now a days. 

If he were to, saaay, take an offer from a team like the Jags or Raiders a year from now, what do you think will be running through his mind if we are playing for championships and he just went through an 8-10 loss season. How will he feel 4-5 years down the road when he is becoming a shadow of his former self (assuming he is still in the league) and still stuck on a craptastic team that can't do anything right and who are probably shopping him around because they gave him a contract they can't support anymore. Sure the extra money will be a comfort at times, but he will be largely forgotten, his legacy will not be all it could have been, and that few million wont feel as fantastic and wonderful as it once did. 

There is something to be said for looking beyond the moment you are in and thinking long term and about building a legacy. This generation's legacies last about as long as a snapchat photo. Look at a guy like Robinson Cano as a perfect example of what could have been. He has the chance to be the heir apparent in NY, maybe become the next Yankee Captain, etch a legacy alongside the names of Mantle, Bera, Ruth, Gehrig, Jeter and DiMaggio. He was given two MASSIVELY lucrative contract offers that were of similarly ludicrous values. He opted to move to seattle because they gave him a couple more years and a few million more over the lifetime of a 100+million contract. Now he has gone from one of the sports brightest young stars to an after thought. The best player, not producing to his contracts value, on a mediocre team, in a miserable city. He got his money and lost everything else. No stage to make a name on, no loyalty, no feel good story, and went to a ball park that will (and has) kill his stats.

Josh has a stage here on an emerging top NFL team, an association with the heart and attitude of this squad, he's a hometown hero, has the chance to still make more money than he'll ever need, and can put his name down in the lore of great players for this franchise and become one of those names synonymous with the Panthers. Those are the pillars you can build a hall of fame candidacy on. Or you can risk it, throw success out the window and jump to a poor team willing to throw infinite amounts of cash at you now (only to be cut at the first opportunity later) and hit reset on your career arch. Can you still be the best?? Yes, but you're the best on a crappy team, it kills heart and drive, can tank stats, and you're still just a big fish in an obscure, if not comical, pond. Sometimes there is more value in being on the team that will get you more exposure, take a little less money, but still be visible and beloved. That leads to bigger endorsements, more air time and exposure and the perception of a bigger/better career. 

You missed.my point entirely. 

I know everything you mentioned, and agree with most of it. 

That wasn't the point *I* was making. 

Josh, is the man in charge of his life. It's his decision. Like i said, i have zero problems with him wanting top money.  His choice to make. Never said it was the choice I'd make, or even recommend to him.