we have the 4th ranked offense this season

[Carolina Cajun]

44 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

You do know turnover margin is more dependent on the defense than it is the offense, right?

The defense can come up with takeaways, which is the most important part of a SB champion caliber team, and they can keep the opposing offense from scoring a TD following a turnover by their offense.

The rate of TDs allowed following a turnover is the most important aspect of the turnover element. The Panthers allowed 1 TD in 2015 following an offensive turnover.

Offenses will typically fall between 20 to 30 turnovers in a season. Under Rivera 23 is the highest the Panthers have been with turnovers. The goal is to have the offense under 30 turnovers on the season and the defense to have over 30 takeaways on the season.

The defense is on pace to set a franchise record low in takeaways. The drop from a league leading 39 takeaways in 2015 to what may be a franchise low 21 takeaways one year later is the biggest reason the Panthers are losing.

The defense must win the turnover battle, and they are not.

The defense's lack of takeaways and inability to stop teams from scoring TDs following a turnover is the most glaring problem.

That is true, but we could absorb the lack of turnovers on the defensive end (due to having the bad news bears playing corner) if our offense wasn't turning the ball over at the rate it is.  The fact is that we have the 3rd worst turnover margin, 2nd most total int's, and 3rd most lost fumbles.  Think about it, that pick in the endzone to funch this past week would have given us a win had it been a completed pass.  DA's pick in the endzone and we win against TB.  Hell, DA's pick 6 against ATL, we could have driven and tied that game.  We CAN have a dominant offense, and they CAN carry us, BUT, the only way they can carry us is if we cut out the turnovers.  I will say.  If we manage to go +8 in the turnover margin the rest of the year (and leave us at 0 for a +/-) then we might have a chance on having a decent run.  anything under that and we will end up with a top 10 pick (which is about where I'm predicting them right now.

[OldNorthPowell]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

we were 15-1 last year and lead the NFL in pts.  We are top 10 in scoring again right now and are working with the likes of Oher's backup.

Shula is the last thing people should be worried about

And his play calling has cost us games and a Super Bowl. To each their own though.

[SportsCrazie4172]

2 hours ago, OldNorthPowell said:

And his play calling has cost us games and a Super Bowl. To each their own though.

I wonder if this will be in a future Madden release

1st and Goal

Backup QB and we throw..

 

[MVPccaffrey]

7 minutes ago, SportsCrazie4172 said:

I wonder if this will be in a future Madden release

1st and Goal

Backup QB and we throw..

 

And yet Shula got ripped because we couldn't punch it in with four tries against SF in the playoffs.  Can't win with the huddlers.

[jfo89]

8 hours ago, bigdog10 said:

Playing the saints, niners, and the Falcons when they were in prevent defense skews these numbers heavily. 

So does Derek Anderson starting at home vs the bucs

[juliosantos]

19 hours ago, jptaylor84 said:

Imagine if we had even a half competent defense? My estimation we would be prob 4-2 right now and not looking to bad.


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if things went right we should be undefeated . we should have won every game if you think about it even minnesota we were up by 10 early on

[imminent rogaine]

As special as Cam is, I have to think that there is a legitimate OC out there somewhere that is just licking his chops at the chance to fix any problems that he sees with our offense, scheme, and with Cam himself.

[greghardy'sAK-47]

the offense is what they call fools gold.  it comes and goes.  either 0 or 100.  lots of drive killing penalties; lots of turnovers.  would have been nice if they could have gotten a first down or two before getting down 21 on sunday.  

[raleigh-panther]

Show me rankings in situational football to go along with the offensive ranking and I'll care

red zone opportunities 

turnovers. 

Executing on 3rd down 

oh yeah the won lost column 

running 3 times at the end of the game when scores are needed and time short, not smart.  Time eating drives that result on a score that keeps our putrid defense off the field smart 

[raleigh-panther]

Let me add...the stupidest call to start the game

rivera deferring which all but guaranteed a 7 to zero deficit with that defense

Note to Ron, this 2016 and you do not have 2015 defense 

in the name of god, please stop deferring on the kickoff 

[AceBoogie]

22 hours ago, Carolina Cajun said:

We're also -8 in turnover margin.  Let's not just say it's one or the other, the Offense is doing it's fair share of failing too.  Right now, on offense if they take care of the ball, then we'll score more and the defense will be put into pressure situations less.

Is that more turnovers by the offense tho or just less turnovers from the defense?

[Navy_football]

19 hours ago, Cary Kollins said:

We're close to being contenders again.

 

All the important pieces are there, and hopefully this season will provide lessons for future offseasons. We will be OK. Let the haters have their moment cause we'll be back.

Agree with this sentiment. Our record is bad, but we really haven't been out of a game yet until very late - a couple have come down to the last play. 

[RoaringRiot]

42 minutes ago, raleigh-panther said:

Let me add...the stupidest call to start the game

rivera deferring which all but guaranteed a 7 to zero deficit with that defense

Note to Ron, this 2016 and you do not have 2015 defense 

in the name of god, please stop deferring on the kickoff 

I actually agree with this. He's stressed the need to be in front - so take the ball with your best unit and go score. Instead we give the offense the ball down a score which adds pressure. We need to be the ones setting the tone.

[Carolina Cajun]

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

Is that more turnovers by the offense tho or just less turnovers from the defense?

I think this falls more on the offense than defense because right now we have either the 2nd or 3rd most giveaways while being middle of the pack in takeaways.  Now I will say there is some credence to the fact that we're giving away the ball because we're pressing due to getting into deep holes dug by the defense (see Atlanta and New Orleans games), but it's still also putting a weak defense in a position where it has to hold.