Ok, so with the BPA theory... Show me your Panthers draft big board (or, in my initial post, the top 30 prospects)

[Bronn]

Since the season has ended for us this year, some of the talk has switched over to offseason/draft mode.

I see some comments here and there about who people like as draft prospects and how folks think we will approach our draft pick strategically.

I was, and probably still firmly on the Leonard Fournette train. If he can stay healthy, he is probably the best prospect overall at RB to come out in years, and easily the best this year. I am wavering on my prediction of Jonathan Stewart being let go. We can find cheaper alternatives, but I don't know that we're willing to open a hole like that with uncertainty going into 2017.

It is no secret that I do not like the idea of the Panthers drafting Dalvin Cook, especially at #8. However, I'm not sold that Fournette will A) Be there at #8, or B) be the best player on the board for the Panthers at that point. One of the other guys could slide due to teams ahead of us looking for QBs or other positions of major need that I personally don't think we'll bother scouting too hard.

Currently, I am actually ranking on three guys ahead of Fournette in terms of who I think can help the Panthers more, both in the long run and as soon as possible. The problem is that most teams will covet these players as well, so if Fournette remains at #8, I think he'll be the pick. My #3, Reuben Foster, could slide a bit, and the Huddle would crash if we took him, because it isn't one of those "we need to get a _____" type of position that's important to everyone right now. Of my #1 and #2, one could slip a few picks down depending on teams trading or using picks to spend on other positions.

Anyways... If you're the armchair scouting department, what does your board look like right now? Here's my top 30 guys:

1	Myles Garrett	DE	A&M
2	Jonathan Allen	DL	Alabama
3	Reuben Foster	LB	Alabama
4	Leonard Fournette	RB	LSU
5	Mike Williams	WR	Clemson
6	Teez Tabor	CB	Florida
7	Jamal Adams	S	LSU
8	Jabril Peppers	LB/S	Michigan
9	Malik Hooker	S	Ohio St.
10	Corey Davis	WR	Western Mich.
11	Marlon Humphrey	CB	Alabama
12	Zach Cunningham	LB	Vanderbilt
13	Malik McDowell	DT	Michigan St.
14	Charles Harris	DE	Missouri
15	Solomon Thomas	DE	Stanford
16	Derek Barnett	DE	Tennessee
17	Tim Williams	DE/LB	Alabama
18	Taco Charlton	DE	Michigan
19	Desmond King	CB	Iowa
20	Adoree' Jackson	CB/WR/ST	USC
21	Roderick Johnson	OT	Florida St.
22	Ryan Ramczyk	OT	Wisconsin
23	Demarcus Walker	DE	Florida St.
24	Dan Feeney	G	Indiana
25	Sidney Jones	CB	Washington
26	Christian McCaffrey	RB	Stanford
27	Dalvin Cook	RB	Florida St.
28	Cam Robinson	OT	Alabama
29	JuJu Smith-Schuster	WR	USC
30	OJ Howard	TE	Alabama

[CRA]

BPA is generally coach talk and how they justify taking who they prefer (based on positional preference, need, skill set preferences, many things).  

BPA is usually different for all 32 teams at any spot because of that.  

I think Dave would prefer a lineman with an appropriate value be available there.  I think that is his preference.  He probably knows he has to take DTs off the board with the 8th at this point. 

Sadly, I think Gettlemen is old school in his philosophy and would likely rank RBs higher than most in today's world. 

So if there isn't a lineman and a RB exists with a good enough value I see him going there.  

What I want Carolina to do is different than what I think they will do. I think if Fournette is gone and no lineman stands out he would consider Peppers (which I don't like given we have TD and Shaq)

my vote today, is for Gettlemen to trade down and acquire more picks. Don't love the 8th spot for Carolina. 

 

[OldNorthPowell]

RANK	PLAYER	POS.	POS. RANK	SCHOOL	CLASS	HT.	WT.	PROJ. ROUND
1	Malik McDowell	DT	1	Michigan State	Jr	6-5	276	1
2	Chris Wormley	DT	2	Michigan	rSr	6-5	302	1-2
3	Carlos Watkins	DT	3	Clemson	rSr	6-3	305	1-2
4	Elijah Qualls	DT	4	Washington	rJr	6-1	321	2
5	Jaleel Johnson	DT	5	Iowa	rSr	6-3	310	2
6	Caleb Brantley	DT	6	Florida	rJr	6-2	297	2
7	Vincent Taylor	DT	7	Oklahoma State	rJr	6-2	310	2-3
8	Vita Vea	DT	8	Washington	rSo	6-4	332	2-3
9	Lowell Lotulelei	DT	9	Utah	Jr	6-2	310	2-3
10	Jarron Jones	DT	10	Notre Dame	rSr	6-5	315	3
11	Davon Godchaux	DT	11	LSU	Jr	6-4	293	3-4
12	Montravius Adams	DT	12	Auburn	Sr	6-3	309	4
13	Derrick Nnadi	DT	13	Florida State	Jr	6-1	303	4
14	Nazair Jones	DT	14	North Carolina	rJr	6-5	295	4
15	Ryan Glasgow	DT	15	Michigan	rSr	6-3	299	4-5
16	Larry Ogunjobi	DT	16	Charlotte	rSr	6-2	294	4-5
17	Tanzel Smart	DT	17	Tulane	Sr	6-0	304	5
18	Jake Replogle	DT	18	Purdue	Sr	6-5	290	5-6
19	Dalvin Tomlinson	DT	19	Alabama	rSr	6-2	305	6
20	Charles Walker	DT	20	Oklahoma	rJr	6-2	304	6
21	D.J. Jones	DT	21	Ole Miss	Sr	6-0	321	6-7
22	DeAngelo Brown	DT	22	Louisville	rSr	6-0	310	6-7
23	Jeremiah Ledbetter	DT	23	Arkansas	Sr	6-3	280	7-FA
24	Woody Baron	DT	24	Virginia Tech	rSr	6-1	280	7-FA
25	Collin Bevins	DT	25	Northwest Missouri State	rSr	6-5	286	7-FA

 

RANK	PLAYER	POS.	POS. RANK	SCHOOL	CLASS	HT.	WT.	PROJ. ROUND
26	Reuben Foster	ILB	1	Alabama	Sr	6-1	236	1
27	Zach Cunningham	ILB	2	Vanderbilt	rJr	6-3	230	1
28	Jarrad Davis	ILB	3	Florida	Sr	6-1	238	2
29	Anthony Walker Jr.	ILB	4	Northwestern	rJr	6-1	235	2-3
30	Micah Kiser	ILB	5	Virginia	rJr	6-1	240	3

[Bronn]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

BPA is generally coach talk and how they justify taking who they prefer (based on positional preference, need, skills set preferences, many things).  

BPA is usually different for all 32 teams at any spot because of that.  

I think Dave would prefer a lineman with an appropriate value be available there.  I think that is his preference.  He probably knows he has to take DTs off the board with the 8th at this point. 

Sadly, I think Gettlemen is old school in his philosophy and would likely rank RBs higher than most in today's world. 

So if there isn't a lineman and a RB exists with a could enough value I see him going there.  

What I want Carolina to do is different than what I think they will do. I think if Fournette is gone and no lineman stands out he would consider Peppers (which I don't like given we have TD and Shaq)

 

I agree with a lot of this.

I believe we're looking at the safeties a lot harder than most people really think we are, though. Adams and now Hooker would both be really good fits here. Adams is more the zone safety that brings good cover skills with strong in-the-box zone run support, which we do a lot of. Hooker is the better in coverage, but is solid in zone skills, too.

Peppers, for me, is a conundrum. I think most teams, including the Panthers, would benefit the most from him by transitioning him to LB, much like we did with TD. That is what is intriguing the most to me about him, aside from his ridiculous athletic ability, because TD can't be around too much longer. Who better to train a guy like Peppers than a guy that has been there and done it at historic levels?

I still think Fournette is light years beyond any of the other RB prospects, and overall is the complete package.

We could very well go DE or OL at #8 in the worst case scenario, but I think we go Safety before either of those (well, maybe not DE, if one of the top 2-3 is there.) Safety at number #8, to me at least, looks to be the most value for us. That is only true though if a DE or Fournette doesn't drop. Even if Fournette and Adams are both on the board, I could see us getting Adams because he provides more value in the now.

Also I meant to note that I didn't include QBs and other guys/positions that I don't think will be on our radar in the top 30 prospects.

[Bronn]

We need to draft Lowell Lotulelei in the second, and then sign a guy named Luigi... Then we can have the Super Star Lotulelei Mario Addison Brothers.

[Lemory]

I dont have a top 30. I just have strong opinions and everyone else is wrong. 

[top dawg]

I was thinking that Lotulelei would be a target in the third with that comp pick.

[LinvilleGorge]

1. Garrett

2. Allen - I know it's not a need and I know everyone would howl, but Gettleman would pick this dude in a heartbeat.

3. Fournette - the first of the realistic options

4. Malik Hooker - I like him better than Adams

5. Derek Barnett

5. Jamal Adams

6. Corey Davis - has size which everyone knows Gettleman likes, but he also has speed. He's faster than Williams hence why he's higher.

All gone? Unlikely, but try like hell to trade down.

 

[shaqattaq]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I was thinking that Lotulelei would be a target in the third with that comp pick.

It's a great fit because we're the only fan base that can pronounce his last name.

 

[*FreeFua*]

With the Jags, Chargers and Titans all above us there's a chance that Fournette, Hooker and Adams are all off the board when we get on the clock. 

This is the worst case scenario. I LOVE Tabor but I can't get on board with drafting ANOTHER corner after spending an entire draft on that position last year. 

Im glad to see you have Cook and Robinson right near the bottom as I'm not a fan of either of those guys one bit. My fear is we end with Barnett who I'm also not a fan of at 8. 

Hopefully some of these QB's blow teams away during the draft process for our sake. 

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Peppers, for me, is a conundrum. I think most teams, including the Panthers, would benefit the most from him by transitioning him to LB, much like we did with TD. That is what is intriguing the most to me about him, aside from his ridiculous athletic ability, because TD can't be around too much longer. Who better to train a guy like Peppers than a guy that has been there and done it at historic levels?




 

More than just TD though...it puts Shaq in no man's land in the future with no real home.  Peppers IMO isn't that much of different player than Shaq.  

Shaq future role is beside Luke in Davis' role. That maximizes the Shaq pick.  IMO. 

[shaqattaq]

I'm intrigued that you have cam as the 3rd OT on your board. Everything I've seen places him as the clear leader by a large margin, pray tell why you downgraded him.

Also, I am really hoping that that we can get Ramcyzk (or Johnson)in the 2nd.

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

With the Jags, Chargers and Titans all above us there's a chance that Fournette, Hooker and Adams are all off the board when we get on the clock. 

This is the worst case scenario. I LOVE Tabor but I can't get on board with drafting ANOTHER corner after spending an entire draft on that position last year. 

Im glad to see you have Cook and Robinson right near the bottom as I'm not a fan of either of those guys one bit. My fear is we end with Barnett who I'm also not a fan of at 8. 

Hopefully some of these QB's blow teams away during the draft process for our sake. 

If Deshaun Watson repeats last seasons performance vs Bama he will shoot right back up IMO. 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

20 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Peppers, for me, is a conundrum. I think most teams, including the Panthers, would benefit the most from him by transitioning him to LB, much like we did with TD. That is what is intriguing the most to me about him, aside from his ridiculous athletic ability, because TD can't be around too much longer. Who better to train a guy like Peppers than a guy that has been there and done it at historic levels?

So... draft TD's replacement two years removed from drafting TD's replacement?