Rotoworld: Stewart to outcarry a punt/kick returner

[KSpan]

5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

generally a function of greater opportunity

Not sure if you're suggesting greater opportunity because of crappy blocking or because he's a primary back, but considering that 72.7% of his yards last year were gained after contact there's no denying that breaking tackles has been key to the rushing game these past years. Whatever the reason (blocking, Stew's speed, types of plays run, combination thereof) it's fair to say that Stew has a knack for it.

 

[electro's horse]

13 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Not sure if you're suggesting greater opportunity because of crappy blocking or because he's a primary back, but considering that 72.7% of his yards last year were gained after contact there's no denying that breaking tackles has been key to the rushing game these past years. Whatever the reason (blocking, Stew's speed, types of plays run, combination thereof) it's fair to say that Stew has a knack for it.

 

 

you're not understanding what these stats mean. 

breaking lots of tackles means a.) he can't make anyone miss or b.) he's not getting any blocking up front. the fact he led the nfl in it last year just indicates some combination of both. 

Breaking tackles is not a "key" to any successful offense. No one goes out there planning for their running back to get hit behind the line, or have to fight through a linebacker before he gets any positive yards. That's a fault, not a feature. 

I'd rather the starting running back have a knack for actually getting things that matter, but hey i guess they hand out lombardis on twitter now for getting hit in the backfield and falling forward. 

[KSpan]

Just now, electro's horse said:

you're not understanding what these stats mean. 

breaking lots of tackles means a.) he can't make anyone miss or b.) he's not getting any blocking up front. the fact he led the nfl in it last year just indicates some combination of both. 

Breaking tackles is not a "key" to any successful offense. No one goes out there planning for their running back to get hit behind the line, or have to fight through a linebacker before he gets any positive yards. That's a fault, not a feature. 

I'd rather the starting running back have a knack for actually getting things that matter, but hey i guess they hand out lombardis on twitter now for getting hit in the backfield and falling forward. 

Did you even read what I posted? I said those exact same points and yes, the fact that 72% of his yards came after contact means that him breaking tackles is exactly what made that Panthers running game go in spite of the failures (that I noted).

And yes, I would fully expect that some combination of a shiftier/quicker back, used properly, and better blocking would result in fewer broken tackles and less need for them in the first place.

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Did you even read what I posted? I said those exact same points and yes, the fact that 72% of his yards came after contact means that him breaking tackles is exactly what made that Panthers running game go in spite of the failures (that I noted).

Well if you weren't so fuging difficult to parse it wouldn't be an issue

what point are you even making? Surely you're not defending him.

[KSpan]

7 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Well if you weren't so fuging difficult to parse it wouldn't be an issue

what point are you even making? Surely you're not defending him.

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Not sure if you're suggesting greater opportunity because of crappy blocking or because he's a primary back, but considering that 72.7% of his yards last year were gained after contact there's no denying that breaking tackles has been key to the rushing game these past years.

You talked about greater opportunity equating to greater broken tackle numbers but didn't specify if you meant more carries organically equating to more broken tackles, or if there was more opportunity because of crappy blocking, or what. My point is that his ability to break them, regardless of the circumstances, has been key to the Panthers having any kind of rushing game.

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Whatever the reason (blocking, Stew's speed, types of plays run, combination thereof) it's fair to say that Stew has a knack for it.

Whatever the reason for so many opportunities for broken tackles (reasons listed), it's clear that Stew is good at breaking them.

And yes, I'm in Camp Stewart largely because Shula has shown zero ability to gameplan around him and his ability to get yards after contact. Lot of lip service being paid to 'evolution' and so far Gettleman appears to be all in, but unless/until Shula shows an ability to generate offense with him out of the lineup there's no denying that Stew and his style are critical to the team's success. Fingers crossed that that does indeed change this year because the man does get hurt, and while I don't think it's as bad as some make it sound he clearly doesn't have the burst or speed that he once did.

[pantherclaw]

I'm looking forward to another season of watching Stew run. Love it.

Definitely not a surprise at all.

[tiger7_88]

1 hour ago, Cracka McNasty said:

He was 25 when we drafted him. Now he's 27. Born in 1990, Wikipedia hasn't updated his info for some reason. 

He was an old rookie, and an extremely old rookie RB. 

Age is the key if the particular running back has had a lot of wear and tear in those years.  The thing is, with CAP, that ain't true.  His academics in high school kept him from being highly recruited and he ended up being out of football for the better part of 2 years out of high school until Allan Hancock Community College in California gave him his shot where they played only 10-game seasons.  After 2 years of JUCO, he was getting offers from major colleges.  After he chose Auburn, he ended up being a back-up his first year their playing behind Tre Mason getting only 91 carries.  It was only until he was a senior that he finally picked up a heavy load of rushes (303 rushes for 1608 yards).

So, yes, he's older than someone with his comparable experience.  But he also has a lot less wear and tear on his body at his age because of it.

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, WarHeel said:

Say what you will but there's a reason he lead the league in broken tackles last year.


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Broken tackles is not even a tracked stat. PFF is constantly changing their stupid stats, one month it was Ajai, last week it was Marshawn Lynch now it's Stewart.

 

Like I said great power back, that's it. I saw a DT chase down Stewart from behind when he was trying to get around the edge.

 

Also Kalil, Norwell and Turner are so spectacular like everyone claims yet even when they are healthy Stewart barely breaks the 4 ypc marker. Some thing isn't adding up.

 

 

[Castavar]

I think we are going to use the Stew/CMC combo like the Pats (or I hope we do). Depending on the matchup, we will either use a heavy dose of Stew or CMC like the Pats did with Blount and White/Lewis (although CMC is like 4x better than White or Lewis). We truly have the best of both worlds. If we are going against a weak front, let Stew eat. If we are going against a strong front, spread CMC out and let him eat against LBs.

[Saca312]

Are there people really saying Stewart sucks? Is this a joke? 

[Khyber53]

I have no idea how they are going to split the carries or the roles the two running backs will play. I can't even tell you whether it's CAP or Fozzy that will be the odd man out after training camp. Of course, that doesn't make me any less informed than the rest of you. None of us know.

I will say that if Stewart can stay healthy, then he will well motivated this season, because of two new kids -- his own and that new kid in the running backs group. Either or both of those could bring out the best in a guy that is a fantastic power running back who can punish tacklers AND take care of blocking assignments.

And McCaffrey? Well, just watching the film on him is pretty awesome. If he can bring that to the big game, he's going to be on the highlights show each and every week of the season. He's still young, though, and he's paired up with a very thoughtful, good hearted fellow in Stewart who has shown in the past that he can do the running back by committee thing and still excel.

If Stewart is healthy AND McCaffrey can make pros look like the guys he played against at Stanford... this is going to be an exciting year for the Carolina running game. And just think what that will do for the passing game and all the options it will open up for Cam.

This could be really, really great. I can't wait to find out.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Stewart is one if the best in the game when he is healthy. Should not surprise anyone that actually follows the team.

He once was, but those days are sadly behind us. CAP actually had a slightly higher YPC average in the games he filled in for Stew and the staff doesn't even deem him worthy of a jersey on game day unless Stew can't go. Stew is a lot better in pass protection, but his days as a dominant runner are likely past.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 hours ago, caatfan said:

Personally I'd like to see more CAP carries before writing him off. 36 attempts last season isn't enough of a test IMO, but then I'm not watching practices either. I don't think the OL helped Stew much and when that's the case it's not that hard for a decent D to shut down a Stew type back. 

I would too, but I also understand that reps get earned during practice, especially if you're not a pricey free agent or early draft pick. The front office and ownership aren't waiting with bated breath to see a former 5th rounder.

[KillerKat]

2 hours ago, electro's horse said:

you're not understanding what these stats mean. 

breaking lots of tackles means a.) he can't make anyone miss or b.) he's not getting any blocking up front. the fact he led the nfl in it last year just indicates some combination of both. 

Breaking tackles is not a "key" to any successful offense. No one goes out there planning for their running back to get hit behind the line, or have to fight through a linebacker before he gets any positive yards. That's a fault, not a feature. 

I'd rather the starting running back have a knack for actually getting things that matter, but hey i guess they hand out lombardis on twitter now for getting hit in the backfield and falling forward. 

Could it not mean he doesn't go down on first contact? Like even after gaining positive yards? It could be a very important key to a successful offense if your RB can get extra yards instead of going down once hit.