Looking at the fact's Gettleman wasn't poo.

[*FreeFua*]

Judging by what some of you consider to be hits then let me now update my list of Hurney "hits"...

Deshaun Foster, Will Weatherspoon, Dante Wesley, Ricky Manning Jr, Kindal Moorehead, Colin Branch, Keary Colbert, Travelle Wharton, Evan Mathis, Geoff Hangartner, Richard Marshall, James Anderson, Jeff King, basically the entire 2008 draft class...

I could go on but there's no point. 

[pantherclaw]

This is a direct response to the OP. 

Gettleman is one of the best talent evaluators in the league.  Please don't bring up what you consider his misses in the draft, because i promise you every gm in the league has misses in the draft. That's why it's often considered a crap shot. 

As far as his contract negotiations, he was very good at that also. You might not have agreed with his style, or how he cut ways with players, but this is a business, and the Hurney of old is a great example of what happens when you don't stick to your guns.

The only reason he is no longer here, is he and Richardson didn't see eye to eye on some things that the owner consider to much to overlook. 

So please, stop being so dismissive of Gettleman, it makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about.

[*FreeFua*]

2 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

This is a direct response to the OP. 

Gettleman is one of the best talent evaluators in the league.  Please don't bring up what you consider his misses in the draft, because i promise you every gm in the league has misses in the draft. That's why it's often considered a crap shot. 

If only you were smart enough to realize just how stupid this sounds.

Just some more of that blind support!

 

[Swaggasaurus]

Kony Ealy fuging sucked. He was stiff as a board, lost contain consistently. He was so fuging bad. I don't understand how that can be disagreed upon. Because he tried in one game? Good riddance to that lazy fug.

[JJman Returns]

27 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Judging by what some of you consider to be hits then let me now update my list of Hurney "hits"...

Deshaun Foster, Will Weatherspoon, Dante Wesley, Ricky Manning Jr, Kindal Moorehead, Colin Branch, Keary Colbert, Travelle Wharton, Evan Mathis, Geoff Hangartner, Richard Marshall, James Anderson, Jeff King, basically the entire 2008 draft class...

I could go on but there's no point. 

Also Hurney acquired two of my favorite all time panthers for next to nothing. Chris Harris and Greg Olsen... 

Gettleman managed to acquire a draft pick 8 slots higher in exchange for this so called "hit" Kony Ealy. 

 

[heel31ok]

38 minutes ago, Carl Spackler said:

Ealy - miss. Did not contribute in a manner deserving of draft status, which is the same thing DG fangirls apply to Hurney's picks

Boston - colossal failure as a starter

Bene - see Boston

Gaffney - wasted draft pick. You don't get an "incomplete" when the player contributes 0 minutes

I think the failure on Bene was over reaching in the draft and then cutting him as a knee jerk reaction...Boston was also a reach for sure, he was always destined to be a backup 

[Darvinsun]

Neither one is that great.. but i truly don't believe on grooming guys to go elsewhere mentality. If you picked the guy in the 5th rd you know its going to take time and once he plays at a probowl level he will want to be paid.. thats what they play for to get paid..injuries happen you have to get it while you can..  you have a core but you cant keep surrounding core with suppar talent. you can not give away money either their has to be?an in between.  Dave dod not seem to learn from prior incidents..  Hurney we will see.

[pantherclaw]

41 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

If only you were smart enough to realize just how stupid this sounds.

Just some more of that blind support!

 

Matter of fact, I am just being unbiased and objective. 

You should try it out sometime.

[Car123]

22 minutes ago, JJman Returns said:

Also Hurney acquired two of my favorite all time panthers for next to nothing. Chris Harris and Greg Olsen... 

Gettleman managed to acquire a draft pick 8 slots higher in exchange for this so called "hit" Kony Ealy. 

 

Forgot about Chris Harris. What a player.

[Porn Shop Clerk]

Hurney would have given Hardy a 5 year 90 million dollar contract for sure.  With 50 or 60 mil guaranteed.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

Disagree here. I don't see how a guy who would've been Superbowl MVP was a miss. He produced when we needed it most. Even though he fell off a cliff the following season, he still produced in the backend and would've been the key reason we could've won Superbowl 50.

Bene was injured. Before that, he already showed enough flashes to be a solid corner. He got injured and was unconditioned due to it. For a 5th rounder who was trending up before his injury, he warrants his draft position.

Tre Boston was a starter and was hot and cold. Nevertheless, he was starter material. For the round he's drafted in, that's worth it.

You can't expect pro-bowl All-Pros from the 4th round onward. Heck, Hurney could barely find any from the 2nd round onward. You hope to land someone who'll even contribute. For the value Tre Boston was drafted at, he was worth it.

Hindsight, we can all agree we never saw his case coming. Based on what he produced before alone, it was worth franchise-tagging your best pass rusher. That's what most teams would do.

There are plenty of those who've watched film and would even say Worley looks better in part of the season. And putting training camp performance into this doesn't exactly help your case.

A NFLBreakdowns contributor who focus' on the Panthers and watches film:

Another film watcher who contributes to ThePanthersWire:

All the guys shown above contribute to the film community in some way, and analyze and breakdown film at a high level. All have given high praise to Worley. He's a lock.

Like I told the guy before, get out film and prove what I've shown and said is wrong. Otherwise, what your saying is not credible.

 

So, it's not credible to say that Worley, and Bradberry I might add, are not proven corners by a long shot? It's not credible to say that Bradberry was and is better than Worley from the get-go? You think that I need film when I watched every game, the stats and rankings bare out exactly what I'm saying, and the film-watching service which most NFL clubs now pay to use is basically agreeing?  S M H

And you think that it's logical that Gettleman would have surprisingly---some would say, "abruptly" trade his beloved blue chip pass rusher away, even after he had an outstanding Super Bowl, if he wasn't anything but a miss?  And I am not even going to discuss the other obvious misses at cornerback because it's painfully obvious considering both aren't even locks to have jobs, much less starting jobs when the season begins.

For the record, I don't believe in throwaway draft picks, and neither did Gettleman. Any draft pick or UDFA can turn into gold.  "For where we drafted him" doesn't hold as much weight with me as someone else. Either a player is a hit or miss, it's just that it normally takes more time to determine whether a mid (or later) round pick is a hit or miss due to skill level, development and playing time, and a rational person will factor that in. Boston and Benwikere had plenty of opportunity, arguably as much as a high rounder, but things didn't work out. They won't be missed (pun intended). 

Lastly, like I said before, there were compelling reasons to tag or not to tag Hardy. It was not cut-and-dried! There were notable character concerns! Gettleman gambled, and the rest is history. I don't think anyone is being overly critical of his decision, but it most certainly has to be taken into consideration when judging his body of work as a GM. 

I have ALWAYS said that there's something not quite right about supporting EVERY move that a GM makes. It's just not natural or credible. I have said before that just because you criticize moves that a GM makes, that doesn't mean that you can't like the way things were going over all.

I am never going to fall in line with lovers or haters. People have seen me argue for and against Gettleman, Cam and Rivera (guys that I had/have varying amounts of love for. Hell, I even have had to give Shula his due on occasion---Frickin' Shula! My thing is: support a position, but be honest about it. In my opinion credibility is surely in doubt if everything about a player, coach or GM is always roses.

[UpstatePanther]

18 hours ago, panther4life said:

Your 10k post on a forum in 2 months makes you look pathetic if you want to throw stones in a glass house fella. 

If Ealy wasn't a miss then why did Gettleman give him away this offseason? Or if Boston was such a hit, then why did Gettleman cut him? Better than Remmers on William's, haha thats setting the bar high.

Hey asshole, @Saca312 has 10k pie. Not 10k posts. Not that it matters but since you brought it up, his pie to post ratio is outrageous for the time he's been here. Damn near 2-1. 

Looking at your stats, you don't have a lot of room to talk. What was that you said about glass houses? Hmm....

[panther4life]

1 hour ago, UpstatePanther said:

Hey asshole, @Saca312 has 10k pie. Not 10k posts. Not that it matters but since you brought it up, his pie to post ratio is outrageous for the time he's been here. Damn near 2-1. 

Looking at your stats, you don't have a lot of room to talk. What was that you said about glass houses? Hmm....

If I was looking for pie I wouldn't post unpopular opinions jackass

[Basbear]

These threads always over-look undrafted FAs. They are life savers while in cap hell since thier salary is so cheap.

2013- Robert Lester, Melvin White, and Wes Horton - gave the Panthers a good two years, plenty of snaps on special teams and starting corner.  Horton is on/off the roster and landed a two year deal with 300k SB this past offseason.

2014- Philly brown and Norwell- Norwell ranks among leagues best OGs and Philly filled the 3/4 WR(at times #2 during the magic 2015 season). Bonus LB Glanton was here for couple years currently on Bucs roster.

2015- Dean Marlowe and Bryd- The biggest reason for cutting tre Boston, Dean the current #3 safety. Bryd is still around hanging on the PS

2016- Jeremy Cash and Jerrend Norris- Both are giving great Special Teams snaps in all 4 phrases. Bonus- Garrent is still around

201- IMO Luke Cole, Austin Duke, and maybe Ben Boulware will continue the run of undrafted mining.  Keep an eye on Luke Cole, if he remains healthy he could find a spot on the 53.

 

Now the great herniay ?? In 11 years he found local prospect Brad Hoover and Fred Lane.