No excuses.

[Castavar]

Take a look at the talent on this offense. Now insert Josh McDaniels, Kyle Shanahan, Todd Haley, etc. at OC. You've got yourself a superbowl favorite. Shula has been the bottleneck of this team for too damn long now. The lengths people go to through to defend Bersin bubble screens, CMC wildcat tosses, deep shots to slow ass Cotchery, two burned timeouts a game, and HB dive goal line plays is ridiculous. Dude is and always has been a horrible OC. We need to be like the Bucs and fire his ass ASAP so we can go win us a superbowl.

[DelhommesTheMan]

I don’t think Cam is that rusty honestly.  Against SF he had some struggles in the first quarter but looked good to finish.  We didn’t score 40 on SF because we didn’t have to, we didn’t even have to throw in the second half, we just killed the clock.  We did throw, and Cam looked great against Buffalo.  We just couldn’t finish the drives.  Every time we had momentum there would be a sack, or a dropped pass.  But Cam routinely flipped the field position.  Did he overthrow 2-3 passes, absolutely but that’s Cam.  The McCaffrey overthrow was horrible and Cam knows it.  But Shula needs to be better, and it’s scary if Rivera doesn’t see how bad he is.  He’s too aggressive when a conservative play call for a FG is warranted (and Cam ends up getting sacked and taken out of FG range).  He’s too conservative when we should be aggressive like running a damn wildcat play likes it’s 2005.  Or running out of the stupid read option constantly on third and shorts when we have the personal to I-form and pound.  Like is it so hard to run a pro style offense for alittle?  He finally tried to in the 4th quarter against the Bills, but the entire game was so frustrating.  No QB roll outs, no intention of getting Cam outside the pocket and putting the defense on its heels.  The only fake-play action he runs is the stupid reverse with samuel that everyone knows we aren’t handing it too. 

Shula is a huge issue and sadly it’s not going to end anytime soon.  If it takes Rivera going for it to change, I’m actually all for it.

[trueblade]

23 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Take a look at the talent on this offense. Now insert Josh McDaniels, Kyle Shanahan, Todd Haley, etc. at OC. You've got yourself a superbowl favorite. Shula has been the bottleneck of this team for too damn long now. The lengths people go to through to defend Bersin bubble screens, CMC wildcat tosses, deep shots to slow ass Cotchery, two burned timeouts a game, and HB dive goal line plays is ridiculous. Dude is and always has been a horrible OC. We need to be like the Bucs and fire his ass ASAP so we can go win us a superbowl.

Exhibit A is the improvement the Rams have made on offense this year under McVay.

[Castavar]

36 minutes ago, trueblade said:

Exhibit A is the improvement the Rams have made on offense this year under McVay.

Yep. I made that exact point in another thread. Rams offense compared to last year is night and day.

OCs make the offense, not the other way around. Shula's scheme has been long figured out, and he's too damn stubborn to adjust. The best OCs are able to gameplan SPECIFICALLY for certain teams and games, instead of just having a default gameplan. Bills game is a perfect example. Instead of going into that game specifically with a plan to attack their weak secondary, we stick to our default ground and pound gameplan and run CMC right into the strength of their D whether it worked or not.

[Hogmolliesmaht]

1 hour ago, trueblade said:

Exhibit A is the improvement the Rams have made on offense this year under McVay.

Yeah, but we had one of the best offenses in the entire league just two years ago. The Rams haven't had anything close to that since the greatest show on turf days.

[FakePlasticTrees]

11 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Really hope to see 30+ this week. Watching the Rams utterly decimate this Niners D is a little deflating.

I was thinking the same thing last night.

[FakePlasticTrees]

31 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Yep. I made that exact point in another thread. Rams offense compared to last year is night and day.

OCs make the offense, not the other way around. Shula's scheme has been long figured out, and he's too damn stubborn to adjust. The best OCs are able to gameplan SPECIFICALLY for certain teams and games, instead of just having a default gameplan. Bills game is a perfect example. Instead of going into that game specifically with a plan to attack their weak secondary, we stick to our default ground and pound gameplan and run CMC right into the strength of their D whether it worked or not.

This is one possibility. The other is that this system was developed to fit Cam Newton's skills and abilities and that the belief is that other more popular systems do not fit his skills. I continue to believe that Cam will always be about a 59% passer with very limited ability to make post snap reads and simple not good under center. He is what he is at this point. Most plays start from the shotgun. I do get the feeling that teams have figured out the system that the Panthers run. Furthermore, I tend to believe that the shotgun is often not the friend to diversity in the running game especially when you take away the threat of Cam Newton running.

[csx]

If we win 23-3 I will be perfectly happy. 

[stirs]

I am thinking something like 26-23 Panthers

[raleigh-panther]

1 hour ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

This is one possibility. The other is that this system was developed to fit Cam Newton's skills and abilities and that the belief is that other more popular systems do not fit his skills. I continue to believe that Cam will always be about a 59% passer with very limited ability to make post snap reads and simple not good under center. He is what he is at this point. Most plays start from the shotgun. I do get the feeling that teams have figured out the system that the Panthers run. Furthermore, I tend to believe that the shotgun is often not the friend to diversity in the running game especially when you take away the threat of Cam Newton running.

Get him a decent QB coach and then we can talk about a lot of what cam can and can't do. My opinion, for what it is worth, there is not one decent offensive coach around him who demands more, Shula by himself is bad enough, now add Dorsey.

when a QB continues  to take 5 to 7 step drops in the Redzone when correct technical, launch point for the ball is a 3 step or a step up in the pocket, that is a very very fixable problem, why hasn't been?

 

[Peppers90 NC]

so the knee-jerk reaction to a Thursday night game that had 80 points scored suggesst our team with a prime defense now needs to score in the 30's or we are in trouble?

[Pejorative Miscreant]

52 minutes ago, stirs said:

I am thinking something like 26-23 Panthers

I think this is a probable outcome.  I do think Carolina will be up 10 late and Brees will score late to keep it close but dont think we give up too many points.  Lots of ground clock control.  Problem is Brees can still score fast so you have to finish drives with TDs more often than not.

[Snake]

13 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I just don't see any chance of that unless the OL plays a lot better than they did last week. Are we really THAT reliant on Ryan Kalil? I'm hoping we aren't because at this stage in his career he's just plain injury prone. There's no way around it. Really hoping a lot of those struggles were due to a last minute change at center. That's a big deal considering he's the guy making all the protection calls.

I will say the same thing. Losing your center right before a game on a team that barley has time to adjust the line is never a good thing. 

[Snake]

13 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It's frustrating because I actually think Shula is pretty decent at coming up with an initial game plan. He just absolutely sucks at countering the inevitable adjustments opponents make during the course of the game.

Can't agree more. His actual plays are really good but his use of them is terrible. Like the wild cat play with Buffalo.