If Miami doesn't keep Landry..

[UpstatePanther]

3 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Now Sammy Watkins on this team would be amazing, but the Rams will likely find a way to resign him.

I'd certainly love a shot at Allen Robinson though. Paul Richardson as well.

I’d be happy as can be with any of those three. For me, any young(er), proven, speedy receiver would be a welcome addition to our roster.

UNLESS...

we convert CMC to our speedy slot guy and draft a powerhouse back to be the heir apparent to Stewart.

either move would be fine by me.

i still hold high hopes for Samuel as well. But he needs to stay healthy or my opinion of him will sour quickly.

[Rags]

I like Landry. I like him a lot. 

However, Saca is not wrong when he says he's force fed, he is. 8.5 ypc this season. 10 ypc his career. A lot of that has to do with how inept Miami's offense is (Kenny Stills and Devante Parker blow.), but it doesn't help he can only really play out of the slot either. We don't need any more Slot Only guys, we have an abundance of those.

I do think he's better than he shows in Miami. And I wanted us to trade for him, on the cheap, earlier this year. I wouldn't mind if we signed him on the cheap, at worst he's a better Cotch, worse Ginn. But he's not a beast, or elite. He's a solid WR. He'd help the team, but we can do better than him.

[Rags]

 

3 hours ago, MasterAwesome said:

I don’t know how you can consider him a detriment who is “force-fed” unless you consider McCaffrey as the same. 

McCaffery was force fed early in the year. And it was a determent.

Just like it was a determent when the Dolphins played us. And many other teams. For every amazing YAC play Landry makes, there's 10-15 others where he gets tackled immediately after the catch. Hell some of his big plays you see in highlight videos are a symposium in poor tackling.

If you go after Landry you need to understand what you're getting. You're not getting a Diggs or Cobb type slot WR. You're getting Cotchery. That's who he is and that's fine. But he is not the missing piece to our offense. He'd just replace Bersin, really.

 

[Rags]

Slot separation: 2.87 (70 percent of targets)
Out wide separation: 3.41 (30 percent of targets)
Air yards per target: 6.6

Last season (16-17) for Landry. Biggest tell here is his air yards per target. 6.6

This means he was hit quick, probably mostly off of slants, curls, screens, etc. This would also explain his low YPC numbers, and his high volume of targets. 

Once again, I do think Landry is better than what we've seen in Miami, he's just doing what Miami asks him to do. But to say he's elite or anything close to that is foolish. 

[WOW!!]

Guess who is the YPC leader this year??

Marques Goodwin.. So while you're using that STAT to make a case against Landry.. Realize that fact and the fact Ginn had a high YPC avg. And is no where near the WR Landry is..

[CPantherKing]

Jarvis Landry should have been here in 2014 alongside Kelvin Benjamin.

I wanted the Panthers to draft...

Benjamin, Landry and Brandon Coleman in 2014.

Funchess, Stefon Diggs and Jesse James in 2015.

Hunter Henry in 2016.

Christian McCaffrey in 2017.

Those should be the weapons paired with Olsen for Cam Newton to throw to in the passing game.

The draft was loaded with receiving talent in 2014 and 2015. Most of us knew that was the case. Gettleman did not.

[Rags]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

Guess who is the YPC leader this year??

Marques Goodwin.. So while you're using that STAT to make a case against Landry.. Realize that fact and the fact Ginn had a high YPC avg. And is no where near the WR Landry is..

Or if you know how to look at stats and numbers you can get the whole picture instead of jumping to extremes.

Goodwin has 19.1 ypc. 17.4 for his career. I can't find the distance balls are in the air when he's thrown too, but I'd be willing to bet it's close to if not greater than 10 yards. This shows what Goodwin is: a deep threat. A playmaker. Exactly what Desean Jackson (Carrer 17.3) was early in his career. They're both burners, and was the fastest guy on their team in their prime. The difference now is DBs and Linebackers can keep up with "faster than fast" type of guys now. This is exactly why, along with age, Jackson had to expand his repitoir. But right now, Goodwin is just asked to win with his speed.

On the other end of the spectrum, Landry is averaging 8.5 YPC this year, 10.1 Carrer. Like I said in my previous post, and Saca himself said, a lot of that has to do with him being force fed. Last year balls traveled an average of 6 yards when thrown to, typically the range of someone who receives a lot of slants, screens, smoke routes, those kinds of things. He was and to extent, still is an extension of their run games at times, this leading to the force-feeding. This isn't a slight against him, or his talent. But this is very clearly the story told through his stats and what many have seen from him. The Dolphins ask him to be reliable, catch the short passes and do what he can to get yards.

Like I said previously, there's no doubt that Landry would improve our WR core. But, just like Landry, Goodwin would help our offense. Both of them excell at things we need, but not much else. They're just role players. Landry would not solve all of our problems at WR, and we'd be foolish to think so.

Finally, Ted Ginn is better than Landry is right now, and it goes without saying he'd fit our offense and be a perfect compliment to Devin. Ted, who used to be soley a deep threat, turned into a very solid WR #2 for both us (even though he was basically our #1 lol) and the Saints. He does everything well, runs routes, goes over the middle of the field, deep threat, and if you focus too much on Michael Thomas (our in our case, Greg Olsen), or sell out trying to stop the run, he'll make you pay. He's the perfect complimentary WR. Which is what we need over a pure deep threat or gadget slot guy.  There's nothing to prove that Goodwin or Landry can fill these roles.

[Rags]

57 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Jarvis Landry should have been here in 2014 alongside Kelvin Benjamin.

I wanted the Panthers to draft...

Benjamin, Landry and Brandon Coleman in 2014.

Funchess, Stefon Diggs and Jesse James in 2015.

Hunter Henry in 2016.

Christian McCaffrey in 2017.

Those should be the weapons paired with Olsen for Cam Newton to throw to in the passing game.

The draft was loaded with receiving talent in 2014 and 2015. Most of us knew that was the case. Gettleman did not.

Before his combine, Landry was the guy I wanted in the first. Then his height and speed came in and I still wanted us to get him as a slot guy.

2015 I have think I was the only guy around here on the Diggs train. I thought he'd be a steal since he had "injury concerns" and thought he could play anywhere on the field, and he could definitely make the tough catches over the middle.

2016 I really loved Sterling Sheppard. I felt a lot about him how I do about Diggs, and while he's primarily been a slot guy in NY that whole offense has been a mess this year. I still think he has the ability to be a really great compliment to OBJ.

Last year was Dede Westbrook. But somehow I remained ignorant of character concerns around him lol.

Where do I sign up to be a scout 

All that said, I don't mind the drafts we had, or at least the positions we took in the early rounds. Fair arguments could be made as to why they were good picks at the time with no hindsight. I do wish we looked at some of the later round guys, mainly Diggs, a little harder rather than taking some of the players we did.

[Ivan The Awesome]

Why do people think Landry is slow?

[The Huddler]

8 hours ago, Saca312 said:

and lol route running all he does is simple screens and finds ways to make simple plays harder than they should be.

Shula would just make him even worse than he already is. Would rather we target a true WR1 instead of this pretender.

Funchess is a true #1

[The Huddler]

Hes on my dynasty team. I want him going to a good high volume Offense with a good QB. 

 

He wouldnt be utilized correctly here

[CarolinaNut]

Very overrated WR..no thanks

[KillerKat]

We need to go after another starting WR in the offseason. 

[RumHam]

He's either going to want an assload of money we can't afford, or he's staying put. I think people forget that Tannehill is their actual QB and would probably be a playoff team if they had him this year.