You don't FUGGIN cut Ryan FUGGIN Kalil

[hepcat]

Ryan Kalil is one of if not the best center in the league when he's healthy. But he's had injury problems recently and he might not last the season, again. With his cap figure, you should be getting a guy that is going to play the entire season. With so much talent walking out the door already, it's very likely the Panthers take a step back from their 11-5 record. Why not plan for the future? I know it sucks to waste another year of Cam's career, but I think that's going to happen either way. 

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Kalil barely played in some of those 6 games and you didn’t include the playoff game.

You think the playoff game will significantly help Kalil? Okay, here's the numbers with the playoff game included...

Rush yards: 125 (131 with Larsen) 

Pass yards: 187 (206 with Larsen)

Total yards: 319 (336 with Larsen)

Points per game 20.8 (24.3 with Larsen)

1st downs: 20.6 (20 with Larsen)

Sacks per game: 2.3 (2.3 with Larsen)

Win/Loss: 4-3 (7-3 with Larsen)

 

There's just no statistical argument for it.

 

 

[XOBlackxJokerOX]

Larsen filled in at center quite nicely, mind you.

[Car123]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

You think the playoff game will significantly help Kalil? Okay, here's the numbers with the playoff game included...

Rush yards: 125 (131 with Larsen) 

Pass yards: 187 (206 with Larsen)

Total yards: 319 (336 with Larsen)

Points per game 20.8 (24.3 with Larsen)

1st downs: 20.6 (20 with Larsen)

Sacks per game: 2.3 (2.3 with Larsen)

Win/Loss: 4-3 (7-3 with Larsen)

 

There's just no statistical argument for it.

 

 

Ok, now remove the game(s) Kalil barely played a quarter in.

[uncfan888]

4 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Ok, now remove the game(s) Kalil barely played a quarter in.

Give it up. You're losing the battle

[My Goodness My Guinness]

I mean he will be the most important player on the o-line if he can stay healthy, especially with Norwell now gone. The main issue people had is that big IF

[CPcavedweller]

50 minutes ago, trucpfan said:

What Ryan is costing the team with that hefty tag and lack of production playing 6 out off 17 isn't good enough. We can better allocate those funds I'm ok with Larsen if he improves slightly it will be a win win for us.

So what you're saying is that we should cut him based on his issues last season? Or are you saying he will only start 6 games this coming year? If Ryan is healthy and can play week in and week out, our offensive line is Top 10. If he doesn't play, without Norwell, we are garbage. 

[Captain Obvious]

4 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Ok, now remove the game(s) Kalil barely played a quarter in.

This what Imagine you two are doing. LOL

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

Ok, now remove the games Kalil barely played a quarter in.

Not sure any website aggregates snap count by game, but I'm pretty sure one of those games is going to be the Bears game and that was our worst offensive performance of the year. I'm sure the change at center mid-season and mid-game didn't help with that.

Which is another factor to consider here. Continuity is one of the most important aspects for an OL and Ryan Kalil is just plain unreliable at this point. Bringing Kalil back virtually guarantees that we're going to have a lack of continuity at probably the most important position on the OL in terms of the value of continuity.

I'm in the camp that thought the OL performed much better with Kalil... until I looked at the numbers. Looking purely at the numbers, there's no argument for Kalil even if age/cap hit isn't even being considered. The offense was just plain better with Tyler Larsen.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Captain Obvious said:

This what Imagine you two are doing. LOL

He's just desperately clinging to this notion that the OL and the offense as a whole was better with Kalil. Hell, I thought that way too until I actually dug into the numbers.

[CPF4LIFE]

I don't even need to look at stats to know there wasnt a big difference with or without kalil. It was plain as day just watching the games. 

[frash.exe]

1 minute ago, Captain Obvious said:

This what Imagine you two are doing. LOL

that is a spicy post right there

[Car123]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Not sure any website aggregates snap count by game, but I'm pretty sure one of those games is going to be the Bears game and that was our worst offensive performance of the year. I'm sure the change at center mid-season and mid-game didn't help with that.

Which is another factor to consider here. Continuity is one of the most important aspects for an OL and Ryan Kalil is just plain unreliable at this point. Bringing Kalil back virtually guarantees that we're going to have a lack of continuity at probably the most important position on the OL in terms of the value of continuity.

I'm in the camp that thought the OL performed much better with Kalil... until I looked at the numbers. Looking purely at the numbers, there's no argument for Kalil even if age/cap hit isn't even being considered. The offense was just plain better with Tyler Larsen.

Now exclude games where Kalil woke up in white pajamas.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

He's just desperately clinging to this notion that the OL and the offense as a whole was better with Kalil. Hell, I thought that way too until I actually dug into the numbers.

The would is beautiful with Homer glasses on.   I can tell those that reason with logic and those that reason with emotion.  That's why Hurney has so many fans wanting to believe in him.  It's an emotional thing.   Reason and logic has nothing to do with it.