Sorensen says we should sign Reid, and he's right.

[ncfan]

22 hours ago, WOW!! said:

This is stupid why he isn't signed..

Gotta be injuries.

3 big concussions first 2 seasons, then he contemplated retirement due to concussions 

Then the next 2 seasons had 2 other injuries, 1 resulting him being put on IR

[Panthers8969]

22 hours ago, 4Corners said:

I don’t know you (thankfully). But I certainly sense some racial undertones in your posts. I’m sure you have one black person you begrudgingly  talk to at work so therefore that excludes you from being a racist. Got it. 

Least cogent response in the thread. First sentence serves no point other than an ad hominem. 3rd sentence way out of left field. You basically just reaffirmed his point that you believe he’s racist bc he disagrees with you on a subject. 

[MtnProwler]

We lost dialogue when we get to name calling and making unsubstantiated accusations about people we frankly know nothing about. People that ultimately use the internet promote their agendas rather than trying to understand one another, there's no changing their minds and no need try.

[panthers55]

Of course his kneeling stance is part of the reason he isn't signed. The injuries are another. Whenever you decide to sign someone you look at the player in totality. You weigh the positives and the negatives. The league says attendance is down and the kneeling is a major reason. I don't know if that is true or not but given his other injury issues and he isn't so great a football player that people overlook the bad and only focus on the football, it is not likely a conspiracy or black ball situation so much as the positives don't outweight the possible negatives. Football is a business and the bottom line is attendance and popularity which equates to money.  Owners for the most part are risk aversive which is why they recycle the same 2 dozen coaches over and over and often ignore young prospects who might be risky. Reid chose his stance and knew it might hurt his chances moving forward. Couple that with injuries and that is why he isn't signed. 

[Davidson Deac II]

Fwiw, there are quite a few safeties that haven't been signed this year.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/safeties-arent-getting-paid-this-offseason-and-eric-reid-could-be-a-big-reason-why/

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Teams with abundant cap space dove into the deep end of the financial pool before the markets even officially opened at the start of the league year, and dozens of marginal players received handsome compensation. Within days, the top talent was off the market.

Well, except for the safety position. Things look a lot more like Major League Baseball in terms of the way the market has unfolded, or, frankly, failed to unfold

 

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Agents for quality safeties -- guys who have been productive and healthy for the most part and who aren't at the end of their careers -- are getting beyond frustrated at the stagnant market, with salaries in a holding pattern at best. Several have reached out to the NFLPA to vent, I'm told, and are casting a jaundiced eye at NFL teams who seem to have strikingly similar financial evaluations on their players.

 

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There has been almost no movement at this position, and guys like Eric Reid (age 26), Kenny Vaccaro (27), Tre Boston (25), and Ron Parker (30) all still trying to find work, to say nothing of a group of older veterans who have still performed at a high level in recent years, like Corey Graham, Darius Butler and Reggie Nelson.

"We're barely even getting phone calls, and we're not the only ones," said one agent who is involved in the safety market. "You can't even get (BS) offers. We're literally getting nothing. I'm not even talking one year, $3 million. Nothing. And it's not just us."

 

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Kurt Coleman got a deal quickly with New Orleans after he was cut by Carolina last month -- he didn't have to wait for the league year to open to officially sign -- but that three-year, $16 million was an outlier. Morgan Burnett had aimed for $10 million and couldn't get $5 million per year on a three-year deal with the Steelers. Tyrann Mathieu had hoped to reach around that figure as well when he turned down an offer to stay in Arizona on a reduced salary and ended up getting from the Texas $7 million on just a one-year deal, roughly half of what he was set to make originally in 2018.

 

I don't know if the kneeling has anything to do with Reid not being signed, but I don't think the rest of these guys were part of the controversy.  And they are not be signed.  I guess the good thing for us is that if the draft doesn't work out the way we hope, we may have some options,

[Mage]

Just spit-balling but a huge reason why could be because this is a strong safety class.  Teams are waiting to see if they can get one of the safeties in the draft rather than FA.

[LinvilleGorge]

Really surprised someone hasn't signed Boston. He's only 25 and is coming off of a really good season. Then again, the Chargers have over $14M in cap space themselves and they haven't re-signed him. Wonder if he's asking for way too much or what?

[MHS831]

On 3/21/2018 at 10:30 AM, top dawg said:

Either you believe in racism or you don't. Either you believe in free speech or you don't. Pretty simple for me.

I try to stay away from this argument because I legitimately respect both sides.  I think he has first amendment rights and should be able to take a knee.  However, if I am the NFL, I am concerned about turning off half of my viewers because it upsets some.  If I work in the entertainment industry and my actions risk tarnishing the product, then I need to respect my place of employment and not use the exposure to promote personal political agendas.  They do not pay him to make political statements using the media that is part of his job. 

Having said that, I think the players meant no harm and wanted to show unity and support for a real issue in our society.  However, they should use the fame the TV exposure gives them to go out into the community and express themselves, not the TV exposure that was meant for another purpose.  I also think our President made it worse because he viewed it as disrespect to Donald Trump and not the social injustice-- and he lacked the ability to see past his own insecurity and vanity.

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I try to stay away from this argument because I legitimately respect both sides.  I think he has first amendment rights and should be able to take a knee.  However, if I am the NFL, I am concerned about turning off half of my viewers because it upsets some.  If I work in the entertainment industry and my actions risk tarnishing the product, then I need to respect my place of employment and not use the exposure to promote personal political agendas.  They do not pay him to make political statements using the media that is part of his job. 

Having said that, I think the players meant no harm and wanted to show unity and support for a real issue in our society.  However, they should use the fame the TV exposure gives them to go out into the community and express themselves, not the TV exposure that was meant for another purpose.  I also think our President made it worse because he viewed it as disrespect to Donald Trump and not the social injustice-- and he lacked the ability to see past his own insecurity and vanity.

I’ve never spoke one word on the entire issue but this would sum it up for me. Well said. 

[top dawg]

Oh, yeah, @RoaringRiot, just curious, are you still holding to your take? What about others who obviously think that NFL owners are  more upstanding, guiltless, reasonable American businessmen than spineless followers at best, or POS human beings at worst? 

Here is another article on the subject from Bleacher Report. Apparently the Bengals' owner got a little closer to the nitty gritty. The thing is, like Richardson, this would be an opportunity for him to make a statement, but thus far he has been a hypocrite of the highest order, as pointed out in this article:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2769937-as-eric-reid-waits-nfl-teams-continue-to-push-the-boundaries-of-stubbornness.amp.html

 

Here is an excerpt (no doubt what some will continue to say is about clicks).

 

"The NFL just can't get it right on this. Because it makes decisions based on fear, instead of facts, the league continues to mishandle the protesting. The owners believe players shouldn't have the right to be more than players, certainly not if it hurts their business. And they believe protesting hurts their business. Make no mistake, that's why owners don't want the protests. It's about control and money.

"But the thing is the protests don't hurt the NFL. Sure, some fans hate them. But many support them, too. And in December of last year, Verizon signed a $2 billion streaming deal with the NFL. Hurt me like that all day, honey.

As for Reid, it's not like the Bengals have this pristine culture that Reid's actions would somehow contaminate. The Bengals' asking Reid about taking a knee is like a man dying of thirst stating he will only drink Poland Spring."

 

 

[RoaringRiot]

Yes @top dawg, with the number of safeties still on the market and the reports we are hearing like from Boston saying they’re not getting anywhere close to the salary figure that they’re expecting, then yes there is more going on here than just the protests. 

What’s your take on why these other big names are going unsigned? 

If we get past the draft and these other guys start signing and Reid doesn’t then I’m happy to call BS on the situation. But until then I’ll stick to my “take” that there is more in play here. 

[Jangler]

On 3/21/2018 at 10:32 AM, RoaringRiot said:

He's had 3 concussions, and in the last two seasons a bicep and PCL surgery. The 49ers aren't signing him with all their cap space because they know he can't stay healthy. Why in the world would anyone pay this guy $8M? 

Kneeling stories drive conversations though I guess....

This a 1000 times. Division is all the media knows anymore. ...and we keep falling for it. thus a 6 page thread on a player that won't be signed in Carolina.

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, RoaringRiot said:

Yes @top dawg, with the number of safeties still on the market and the reports we are hearing like from Boston saying they’re not getting anywhere close to the salary figure that they’re expecting, then yes there is more going on here than just the protests. 

What’s your take on why these other big names are going unsigned? 

If we get past the draft and these other guys start signing and Reid doesn’t then I’m happy to call BS on the situation. But until then I’ll stick to my “take” that there is more in play here. 

Big names. LOL.

Some of these guys are beyond their prime, and the majority of them simply suck. And regardless of the false narrative that some are pushing by saying that Reid sucks, he is clearly the biggest name on the list by far.

You keep believing what you want. I know what's going on with Reid (and Kaepernick), and it's shameful, but expected. And the fact that it's so easily accepted the same as many ills and bad/apathetic behavior in America, and this world, is not  surprising either.

[Jangler]