This may be the worst defensive play call I have ever seen.

[firstdayfan]

This is interesting bc you're literally taking two of the best players on defense out of the play.  Very unlikely short or Luke make it through to the QB.  We've all said that something is wrong with Luke this year, but is it more likely that the play calls are not putting him in the best position to make plays?

Can anyone cue up plays from previous MVP season and compare to now?

[Mr. Scot]

"Miscommunication" would make sense given that play was awful.

Granted, it would also make a really easy excuse.

I think it's probably correct, but I'm still disturbed by Washington citing "execution issues".  For whatever else you thought of him, Steve Wilks always took the blame for defensive issues completely on himself. He never passed the buck.

 

[CatMan72]

16 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

So what you're trying to tell me is that Ron Rivera has *not* read Eric Washington's defensive playbook?

Or you're telling me he *did* read it, but was too dumb to understand the breakdown of the "rush one DL and one LB and drop everybody else into useless coverage"?

Both coaches have said that play was executed incorrectly. I'm saying Washington will present a gameplan to Rivera that does not involve much discussion about individual plays.

[BrianS]

Let's assume for a minute it was some sort of miscommunication.  Who is responsible for communicating to the defense what the call is?  Who is responsible for making sure that each player understands their assignment for each play?  Setting aside this one play for a minute, is this why the Steelers hung 52 on us?

We have a coaching problem.

We've promoted position coaches to coordinators the last couple times, and when you look at the results, they aren't great.  Look, both Wilks and Washington were excellent position coaches, but their promotion to coordinator came with some problems - and it seems that the biggest problem becomes the position groups they left.

Last year we couldn't get our secondary to cover . . . the exact position group that Wilks left.  This year, our D line is struggling to do anything right . . . the position group Washington left.

Now, what you can argue is that our D line has been declining for a couple years, and that Wilks called all those blitzes last year to cover for their inability to consistently pressure the QB.

In any event, setting aside the terrible play call or execution of this play - whichever it was - this single call was not why the Steelers hung 52 on us.  There is a serious problem with our defense, and it sucks, because for the first time since 2015 I have no doubts about our offense.

[Wolfpack352]

On ‎11‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 11:44 PM, Shocker said:

Starting to wonder if Luke is fed up with this shet play calling.  I would be.  He is to damn smart for this shet.

This....mentioned it before.  I believe he has his moments where he is like playing half assed because he knows this is crap play calling.  The guy is usually beasting and wrecking havoc.  But he probably looks to the side line from time to time and is like....WTF? 

[Carl Spackler]

I don't appreciate Washington throwing the guys under the bus for what may be a miscommunication. The fact of the matter is that it's up to him to have all 11 guys communicating properly and knowing what to do on a given situation. 

[KillerKat]

Rivera loves throwing players under the bus but doesn't like taking responsibility for himself or other coaches and doesn't want to watch film of games where coaching is poor. He loves to point fingers but wants to pretend poor coaching is never a reason.

[iamhubby1]

    6-3, with a realistic shot at being 10-3 going into that first aints game. Yeah, I ain't buying what you folks are selling.

 

    If you folks are looking for perfection in the NFL. lol

[MasterAwesome]

18 hours ago, Eazy-E said:

Regardless off communication issues, 3 linemen dropped into coverage and our best cover lb Luke was rushing the passer. I doubt Luke fuged up what he was supposed to be doing which mean Washington asked someone on the D line to drop into coverage and Luke to blitz on a 3rd and fuging 3. Even if one d lineman drops into coverage and Luke still blitzes it's a fuging terrible play call.

There is no positive way to spin something this fuging stupid. 

Our one stop on 3rd down was a result of dropping Peppers into coverage lol.

[Manther]

1 hour ago, Carl Spackler said:

I don't appreciate Washington throwing the guys under the bus for what may be a miscommunication. The fact of the matter is that it's up to him to have all 11 guys communicating properly and knowing what to do on a given situation. 

This.  Communication problem==coaching problem.

Design a system that is clear and consistent.  How complicated have we made this POS? 

Eric, you are shula-ing our defense.  Please stop it.

 

[Manther]

58 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

    6-3, with a realistic shot at being 10-3 going into that first aints game. Yeah, I ain't buying what you folks are selling.

 

    If you folks are looking for perfection in the NFL. lol

Yeah, having  52 hung on you, setting the record for point scored on that field.... we are so close to perfection.  I'd just like to see a forced punt in the first 3 quarters.  Is that unreasonable?  Would Washington say that is unreasonable?

This was not just a bad game.   Redskins was a bad game.  Atlanta was a bad game.  The Bears last year was a bad game. 2016 was a season of bad games.

This game.... we looked like my overwhelmed grandmother driving the highway at rush-hour...with her left turn signal on the whole way.

This was a clusterfug and if the coaches are just going to put it on the players (who definitely played a role), then we're fuged. 

Washington was out of his depth, nothing was working, he switched poo up so much the players got confused...which made things worse.

[trueblade]

Ron Rivera has been a good coach for the Panthers. His won/loss record, and playoff appearances speaks for itself and cannot be disputed.

The issue I have is successful people can get trapped in their success. They believe in what brought them success, and stick with it, regardless of the changing environment.  Make no mistake, the environment (the NFL and its rules) is changing. Someone in another thread brought up the records of the top defensive teams this year. All have losing records. Run the ball, control the clock, and play good defense is a philosophy as outdated as horse cavalry in World War II. Today is the day of Blitzkrieg. High tempo passing attacks.

My question is can Rivera let go of his past, let go of what brought him success and adapt to the new environment?

[iamhubby1]

6 minutes ago, Manther said:

Yeah, having  52 hung on you, setting the record for point scored on that field.... we are so close to perfection.  I'd just like to see a forced punt in the first 3 quarters.  Is that unreasonable?  Would Washington say that is unreasonable?

This was not just a bad game.   Redskins was a bad game.  Atlanta was a bad game.  The Bears last year was a bad game. 2016 was a season of bad games.

This game.... we looked like my overwhelmed grandmother driving the highway at rush-hour...with her left turn signal on the whole way.

This was a clusterfug and if the coaches are just going to put it on the players (who definitely played a role), then we're fuged. 

Washington was out of his depth, nothing was working, he switched poo up so much the players got confused...which made things worse.

 

    Quantifying loses. lol

 

   What is the criteria for this. Losing by 3, is a loss. Losing by 10, is a bad loss. Then losing big, is a catastrophe. 

 

    The Lions just spanked the Pats. Loses happen. If you cannot live with loses. The NFL may not be for you.

 

    Washington is a 1st year DC. There are going to be mistakes made. And you want to overreact, and simplify our Defense even more? Yeah, making it easier for opposing QBs sounds like the perfect answer.

 

    Far too manyPanther fans cannot live with anything less than perfection. To heck with a 6-3 record, mistakes were made. 

 

    Like I said. Too many Panther fans feel they just deserve better. 

[iamhubby1]

19 minutes ago, trueblade said:

Ron Rivera has been a good coach for the Panthers. His won/loss record, and playoff appearances speaks for itself and cannot be disputed.

The issue I have is successful people can get trapped in their success. They believe in what brought them success, and stick with it, regardless of the changing environment.  Make no mistake, the environment (the NFL and its rules) is changing. Someone in another thread brought up the records of the top defensive teams this year. All have losing records. Run the ball, control the clock, and play good defense is a philosophy as outdated as horse cavalry in World War II. Today is the day of Blitzkrieg. High tempo passing attacks.

My question is can Rivera let go of his past, let go of what brought him success and adapt to the new environment?

 

    The Rams are a balanced Offense. KC is a balanced O. The aints are a balanced O. So no, having a balanced O is not a recipe for failure. And it does seem as thought Ron has allowed Norv to pretty much call the game as he sees fit. 

 

    He let McD run his Zone Blitzes. He let Wilkes blitz the heck out of teams. And he is probably going to allow Eric to continue to run the D as he feels is best.

 

    So it appears, at least to me. That Rivera IS willing to adapt, and then trust those coaches to do what they do.