The Career Arc

[Mr. Scot]

I know people talk about Rivera as a defensive guru.  I'm not sure that's true anymore.

Rivera knew how to handle the old school offensive systems, but the combination of the video game level offenses that are out there now with the rules that make it tougher to play defense has changed a lot of things.

I'm not convinced Rivera can handle the latest versions of NFL offenses.

[mc52beast]

Ron and coaches like Ron will become like the dinosaurs. Offense rules the NFL now and if Ron refuses or isn’t capable of adapting then his time as HC should end. 

We’ve had some good times with Ron at the helm but I believe it’s time for some new, younger and offensive minded coach to take this team over. We definitely have the talent.

[ChibCU]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not convinced Rivera can handle the latest versions of NFL offenses.

Rivera can't handle simple roster/playing-time decisions on offense. He's dumbfounded that other teams aren't trotting out their sub-par offensive weapons against us. Play-making ability is lowest on his checklist of desired traits.

[CatMan72]

I don't think Rivera needs to be fired, but I think he needs to base his decisions on results not loyalty. How many years did it take to act on an obvious problem with Shula? The promote-from-within approach to DC over the last couple years is a nice sentiment, but when it's obviously not working a change needs to be made. Career arc is that a gun needs to be put to his head before changes will be made in personnel, his philosophy, etc... Tepper is from the Steelers mold, but he's also a results guy. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, CatMan72 said:

I don't think Rivera needs to be fired, but I think he needs to base his decisions on results not loyalty. How many years did it take to act on an obvious problem with Shula? The promote-from-within approach to DC over the last couple years is a nice sentiment, but when it's obviously not working a change needs to be made. Career arc is that a gun needs to be put to his head before changes will be made in personnel, his philosophy, etc... Tepper is from the Steelers mold, but he's also a results guy. 

Do you really think that's going to change?

The problem with any suggestion of "I think we should keep Rivera if he's willing to change this" is that he doesn't change anything unless he's forced to.

It's just not good enough.

[frash.exe]

one of ron’s biggest mistakes over the course of his tenure is that he promoted from within nearly every single time. maybe wilks made sense after mcdermott inevitably took off for a HC gig, but sean wasn’t hired immediately and he had years to prepare for that. not every assistant coach is cut out to be a good coordinator. the elevations of eric washington and, most notoriously, mike shula, scream peter principle at its finest. he’s never done a great job at managing his staff. i was never that crazy about norv, but at least he is a veteran OC that’s not going to get poached. the defense is the worst it has been in years and it just speaks to how inexperienced our DC is, and our front four is awful bc we had a good assistant coach in the past but he’s filling a different role now that he can’t handle. the offense was not as good as it could’ve been for years bc he held on to shula way too long. he never made it a priority to bring the most qualified candidate in here. he would rather roll with the guys he already has.

stop promoting every assistant just bc they get their unit producing. 

[PhillyB]

20 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

one of ron’s biggest mistakes over the course of his tenure is that he promoted from within nearly every single time. maybe wilks made sense after mcdermott inevitably took off for a HC gig, but sean wasn’t hired immediately and he had years to prepare for that. not every assistant coach is cut out to be a good coordinator. the elevations of eric washington and, most notoriously, mike shula, scream peter principle at its finest. he’s never done a great job at managing his staff. i was never that crazy about norv, but at least he is a veteran OC that’s not going to get poached. the defense is the worst it has been in years and it just speaks to how inexperienced our DC is, and our front four is awful bc we had a good assistant coach in the past but he’s filling a different role now that he can’t handle. the offense was not as good as it could’ve been for years bc he held on to shula way too long. he never made it a priority to bring the most qualified candidate in here. he would rather roll with the guys he already has.

stop promoting every assistant just bc they get their unit producing. 

this is classic richardson: if you do a good job in your role you'll be rewarded for your loyalty by a better role, even if you're not qualified for it.

this team still reeks of jerry's losing ways. it's time to chop the head off the snake.

[tondi]

3 hours ago, hepcat said:

If Ron had won the Super Bowl in 2015, I think many here would be willing to give him 2-3 more seasons to get it together, much like the job security Sean Payton has enjoyed in New Orleans. The only issue is, defense is Rivera’s specialty and the defense is awful. Payton’s specialty is offense, and the Saints always had a badass offense while he’s been there. The fact that Rivera’s side of the ball has failed so miserably this season shows it’s time for him to go.

Yeah if we were playing lights out D and the offense was struggling I would feel a bit differently, although his bafflingly ballless in game decisions would still frustrate me. 

I honestly feel like he's lost the team at this point. 

[tondi]

6 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

this is classic richardson: if you do a good job in your role you'll be rewarded for your loyalty by a better role, even if you're not qualified for it.

this team still reeks of jerry's losing ways. it's time to chop the head off the snake.

JR was an unflinching proponent of the Peter Principle. 

[Snake]

5 hours ago, hepcat said:

If Ron had won the Super Bowl in 2015, I think many here would be willing to give him 2-3 more seasons to get it together, much like the job security Sean Payton has enjoyed in New Orleans. The only issue is, defense is Rivera’s specialty and the defense is awful. Payton’s specialty is offense, and the Saints always had a badass offense while he’s been there. The fact that Rivera’s side of the ball has failed so miserably this season shows it’s time for him to go.

And you can't blame it on injuries either. Our defense has been healthy this year like the majority of our team. 

[Panther1iDawg]

5 hours ago, hepcat said:

If Ron had won the Super Bowl in 2015, I think many here would be willing to give him 2-3 more seasons to get it together, much like the job security Sean Payton has enjoyed in New Orleans. The only issue is, defense is Rivera’s specialty and the defense is awful. Payton’s specialty is offense, and the Saints always had a badass offense while he’s been there. The fact that Rivera’s side of the ball has failed so miserably this season shows it’s time for him to go.

That's my take also.  He is supposed to be a defensive guy.

[outlaw4]

Excluding Belichick, head coaches that have won Super Bowls did so in their earlier part of their tenure with their respective teams. To me, that says that it becomes harder the longer one stays as the rest of the league figures out someone's tendencies and uses it against them. McCarthy has done nothing with the almighty Aaron Rodgers to get a 2nd Lombardi as with Tomlin and Harbaugh. The Eagles were incredibly patient with Andy Reid but it was a fresh face in Pederson to get it done. Ra

History suggests that the best option is to dump Rivera at the end of the season because the alternative is keeping Ron until the next Franchise QB comes in and finally wins a-la Bill Cowher. I certainly don't have the patience to wait that long.

[luke nukem]

4 hours ago, Silent Majority said:

in that order

meh. the 6 int game was worse for me cause I was a bit older and it was the death blow to Jake. the 03 team made me proud to be a panther fan.

[The Lobo]

To me, RR is a figure head head coach. A coach like him needs solid coordinators bc they call all the plays. Ron would just manage the game; tempo, TOs, lineups, occasional substitutions, keeping players motivated etc. Unfortunately, he fails pretty much on all his responsibilities most of the time. Heck, it takes numerous amount of injuries before he plays the right players, which everyone knows they were right except him;Moton, Samuel, Moore, Clark. If he assumed DC play calls and our D turned around I’d be all for another year. But he won’t do that. He won’t fire Washington just like he wouldn’t fire Shula. Plain and simple, RR is really blah.