Ron Rivera: Just Average

[JawnyBlaze]

19 hours ago, arbnranger said:

I understand what you’re trying to say and agree he is average or slightly above but not much more.  

This quote I can’t agree with though. To say that coaching had almost nothing to do with the success that year is disingenuous. 

The only thing coaching has to do with it is he was smart enough to get out of Cam’s way that year. He promptly forgot what got him there when SB50 rolled around.  That and Shula’s deficiencies were taken advantage of by Phillips. 

[PanthersFanNY]

I'd argue he's below average and bumbled to some lucky wins because he has had generational talent at QB and MLB his entire tenure.

[Jangler]

10 hours ago, Cookie Lyon said:

Wasn't Rivera interviewed by damn near 10 different teams before JR hired him? That alone should've been a red flag. He's a terrible coach and always has been. I'll be glad when Tepper gives him the Timberland boot.

can I wear these with a hurtin' toenail?

[Prowler2k18]

Read this quote from another forum and thought it puts everything about Rivera in perspective:

While I maintain that the super bowl season was Ron’s peak and there’s no going back with him. That season was magical and I’ll give Rivera a lot of the credit for developing the culture in the locker room but even in the last game that shall not be mentioned, we all saw how bad of a tactical coach Ron is. Ron is a good players coach but he’s always been deficient on the tactical side. At this point, he is who he is, and he’s done all he can for us. The locker room bond he developed is something that can live on without him. Now it is time to bring in a coach that can take the culture and talent and bring in the tactical side to keep up with the rest of the top teams in the NFL. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s just how I see it. Rivera was great for where we were but it’s time to move on. I don’t see Rivera changing his stripes to become what we need but maybe these last four games will show us something different but if I look at his history of work there’s nothing to indicate he will change.

 

[Prowler2k18]

On 12/13/2018 at 2:26 PM, Darvinsun said:

I think what he is saying is that McDermott was already an established coordinator that Ron really did not teach a thing to. The others up under him were not established coordinators but thrust into the position and as a manager Ron should have mentored more to make them better, but since he does not have that skill set both Wilks and Washington failed. How he did not see that Washington was not ready and step in earlier when Cam wasn' so hurt is beyond me. Pittsburgh game told the truth about Rivera. He ran away from his responsibiity to the team and fans.  The team has struggled on defense the whole yr and now with playoff chances gone he decides oh I'm going to step in. It's too little too late. Playcalling has been questionable too and yes Cam has missed wide open wrs. My question is why are we throwing the ball inside the 5 when they know his shoulder is hurt. The games when Cam wasn t hurt or complaining about his shoulder we ran the ball. I just don' understand this staff at all.

Poor judgement by the coaching staff has hurt this team all yr and they haven't learned a dang thing. Rivera yes I agree a below average to average coach ceiling no higher 

How he did not see that Washington was not ready and step in earlier.....is beyond me.

I can't wrap my head around this either

Poor judgement by the coaching staff has hurt this team almost every yr (with the exception of 2015) and they haven't learned a dang thing.

FIFY....and you're right. We keep seeing the same mistakes repeatedly every season. It's time for change.

[CPF4LIFE]

On 12/13/2018 at 1:59 PM, CRA said:

last half decade in the books....

no team has had more success than the Panthers in the NFCS.   Pending the Saints don't win the Super Bowl this year.  Adding in this year to make it the last 6, even the Saints don't jump the Panthers in that window of recent history. 

Easy to get rid of Ron.  Easier to get a worse coach.  So before we get a new one.....let's make sure we can get a better one. 

 

What makes me feel comfortable with that is the fact that what does the next coach have to do outside of getting players to play for him to be better than Rivera? Its not a lot to stack up too, the biggest thing Rivera has had going for him is the fact that he use to play in the league....players can relate to him so they follow him. What else is there? Cant think of anything. 

[CRA]

14 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

What makes me feel comfortable with that is the fact that what does the next coach have to do outside of getting players to play for him to be better than Rivera? Its not a lot to stack up too, the biggest thing Rivera has had going for him is the fact that he use to play in the league....players can relate to him so they follow him. What else is there? Cant think of anything. 

Talent driven league.  Too many talented players and coaches to consistently scheme around glaring talent holes. 

Ron is the best defensive mind we have had in Carolina.  Issue with the D is we play in 2018 and Ron doesn’t have the DL talent and S talent needed. 

On O his QBs arm is nerfed and he has a weak OL.

problem isn’t coaching.  We would have a winning record right now if Cam simply hit reasonably open guys in the endzone when we were in position to win.  Not really blaming Cam but a coaching change doesn’t do much. 

We need a healthy QB, OL improvements and to fix our DL IMO first and foremost 

[raleigh-panther]

Jeff Fisher and Ron Rivera are the same person 

it ya time to sweep away all fingerprints of JR and move this franchise forward

It is as simple as that 

and that also includes drafting a QB as Cams backup and replacement if that shoulder continues to be bothersome 

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, CRA said:

Talent driven league.  Too many talented players and coaches to consistently scheme around glaring talent holes. 

Ron is the best defensive mind we have had in Carolina.  Issue with the D is we play in 2018 and Ron doesn’t have the DL talent and S talent needed. 

On O his QBs arm is nerfed and he has a weak OL.

problem isn’t coaching.  We would have a winning record right now if Cam simply hit reasonably open guys in the endzone when we were in position to win.  Not really blaming Cam but a coaching change doesn’t do much. 

We need a healthy QB, OL improvements and to fix our DL IMO first and foremost 

Ron is a great defensive mind, but not a great head coaching mind. Those are different things.

[beastson]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Talent driven league.  Too many talented players and coaches to consistently scheme around glaring talent holes. 

Ron is the best defensive mind we have had in Carolina.  Issue with the D is we play in 2018 and Ron doesn’t have the DL talent and S talent needed. 

On O his QBs arm is nerfed and he has a weak OL.

problem isn’t coaching.  We would have a winning record right now if Cam simply hit reasonably open guys in the endzone when we were in position to win.  Not really blaming Cam but a coaching change doesn’t do much. 

We need a healthy QB, OL improvements and to fix our DL IMO first and foremost 

Why would you say talent driven league and then mention coaching schemes

If it's a talent driven league, the Rams should be undefeated. Coaching not the problem my ass. I bet if we had New England staff our record would be better. Bet we wouldn't be on a 5 game losing streak on the verge of losing out

[KillerKat]

Anyone else at the point where just looking at his face pisses you off?

[Billy Love]

He’s average at best. Good guy, but it’s past time to move on. If we don’t, we’re just in for more of the same.

[thennek]

 Since the Pittsburgh game, I have wondered if Ron has already been told he is not coming back next year.  He may already know he is gone which would explain a lot.

[Manther]

But Ron did coach the 15-1 season to the Superbowl.  We actually have an above average coach, he just doesn't seem to be able to be elite.