Argue Hurney’s case

[pantherj]

Compared to Gettleman Hurney is amazing, but that's not saying much because I thought Gettleman was a nightmare. Hurney brought in D.J, Donte Jackson, and Ian Thomas. Very good drafting and we didn't have high picks. He hasn't done anything terrible in FA like Gettleman with his NIGHTMARE contract to Matt.

Ultimately I don't give a fug if Hurney is fired. He can go call his ex-wife for all I care. He's made enough mistakes in the past to be on my poo list, but I can't crucify him for what he's done lately. I like Hurney 2.0 well enough, but if he goes he goes.

[Toomers]

2 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

No that’s not,what is so hard to understand about it??? That’s clearly saying that some factors for both gms they are not directly responsible for Rivera is...example, clock management, a. big issue witht his team that neither gm is responsible for, example two lack of aggression, neither are responsible for that as well, choosing who gets playing time or not, Rivera not the gms.

what facts ? You’re the same poster posting the same argument anytime dg tenure is question, you and 3 other posters are the usual suspects every single time, changing everything into a hurney vs dg debate. What difference of results ?? The same winning season losing season pattern? I’m not going to debate you on a dg vs hurney argument when I’ve never uttered one is clearly better or worst then the other

Never said you did. You make the assumption they are equal. They are/were not. And if 51-28-1 and 4 out of 5 years in playoffs is no different than 29–51 and no playoffs in 5 years, then you are correct there is nothing to discuss. Any FACTS you would like to enter to close that gap? 

[Smithers]

2 hours ago, Toomers said:

It’s hard to have one of the best drafts in many years, if the draft the year before was as good or better. Just say he had a good draft if you just want to. But your wording invites comparison to other drafts.

Which was exactly my intent.  Outside of the year before last, our drafts have sucked for years.  The entire point of my post was to point that out.  

[Toomers]

Just now, Smithers said:

Which was exactly my intent.  Outside of the year before last, our drafts have sucked for years.  The entire point of my post was to point that out.  

 2013 was as good. 2014 was better after the first year, and still is. 2015 produced 3 starters. Besides 2016, what is significantly better? 

[ncfan]

Just to jog some memories 

 

And for many of you defenders who weren't around the first time

 

 

[TheSpecialJuan]

5 hours ago, mc52beast said:

I see a lot of people want Rivera gone, and I can’t really argue against it. But why isn’t Hurney getting equal treatment? Yes he had a decent draft but he neglected depth at several positions and made some very questionable moves. 

If you want Hurney to stay, explain why he should.

Tepper would have asked himself by now if there is another head coach currently available that would be an improvement over what we have now. 

He would also have asked himself if there is a GM out there that is better than what we have right now. The answer is hell yes!

[stratocatter]

I think it all hinges on our quarterback situation, and if I knew Cam was done I would have a different answer. But I am answering based on the assumption that he comes back next year. To me, it doesn't make sense to put Cam in a totally new environment, and expect him to make a ton of adjustments this late in the game. After 8 years he still doesn't have a lot of things together that he should have, I think it's too much to expect him to thrive in that situation. Sorry but I don't trust the guy to absorb and implement major changes in the way we do things on the field, in one offseason.

Hurney....  had a great draft. At least a very very good one. Which brings me to the FA period complaints: people here for the most part, I think react impulsively and don't look at the big picture. Like overlooking that the team was up for sale this last offseason. You are in Hurney's shoes, what do you do? In terms of maybe writing long term big ticket FA acquisitions? You have probably been instructed to be conservative, keep it small and simple until the new owner is in. Let the new owner have a chance to be involved in any large long term type decisions. I think this was the situation he was dealing with, and would like to see what he can do with a new owner.

So I'd ride it all out. I'd keep Rivera, Hurney and Cam together until Cam's deal is done, or we are ready to move on from him, and make the changes then if they are going to be made. Long term that makes the most sense to me.

 

[Car123]

27 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 2013 was as good. 2014 was better after the first year, and still is. 2015 produced 3 starters. Besides 2016, what is significantly better? 

2015 sucked. Just because they start for us doesn't make them good picks. Funchess is a #3 receiver at best and Shaq is mediocre; definitely not a first rounder if there was a redraft. 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, Car123 said:

2015 sucked. Just because they start for us doesn't make them good picks. Funchess is a #3 receiver at best and Shaq is mediocre; definitely not a first rounder if there was a redraft. 

 But Thomas is starting solely because of injury and it’s a huge hit. And Daryl Williams and his All-Pro caliber season when healthy still exists. Even the comp picks lasted 4 years. 

  

[Cpt slay a ho]

40 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Never said you did. You make the assumption they are equal. They are/were not. And if 51-28-1 and 4 out of 5 years in playoffs is no different than 29–51 and no playoffs in 5 years, then you are correct there is nothing to discuss. Any FACTS you would like to enter to close that gap? 

first off i made the assumption that they both suck, never did i said they were equal that's your words, i even went as far as to say one sucks less than the other. And did you just cherry pick hurneys last 5 years and to dg's first 5? thanks for proving my point, you're trying to force and argument that is not apparent, sucker me into defending hurney to prove you wrong, not going to work,i can give you a laundry list on why dg failed as a gm here point blank period if you want that smoke?

[Paa Langfart]

16 minutes ago, stratocatter said:

I'd keep Rivera, Hurney and Cam together until Cam's deal is done, or we are ready to move on from him, and make the changes then if they are going to be made.

So what is the link between Cam and Rivera/Hurney ?  Cam not able to thrive without Rivera holding his hand ?   Really ?  Or without a contract that Hurney writes up ? Your post makes less sense than me after about 12 beers.

[Toomers]

Just now, Cpt slay a ho said:

first off i made the assumption that they both suck, never did i said they were equal that's your words, i even went as far as to say one sucks less than the other. And did you just cherry pick hurneys last 5 years and to dg's first 5? thanks for proving my point, you're trying to force and argument that is not apparent, sucker me into defending hurney to prove you wrong, not going to work,i can give you a laundry list on why dg failed as a gm here point blank period if you want that smoke?

   Why is it unfair to compare the last 5 years that each was the GM? I would love to hear how this proves your point. And type anything you want to dump on DG. I’ll probably agree with many. I judge a move on merit, not who made it. 

  But please explain how it’s unfair to compare them first. 

[Car123]

16 minutes ago, Toomers said:

 But Thomas is starting solely because of injury and it’s a huge hit. And Daryl Williams and his All-Pro caliber season when healthy still exists. Even the comp picks lasted 4 years. 

  

What does that have to do with anything? Thomas is having a good rookie year.

Comp picks are still draft picks. Most picks last 4 seasons. D Williams was our only good pick of 2015.

[Mr. Scot]

34 minutes ago, stratocatter said:

So I'd ride it all out. I'd keep Rivera, Hurney and Cam together until Cam's deal is done, or we are ready to move on from him, and make the changes then if they are going to be made. Long term that makes the most sense to me.

Oh Lord, no.

As a coach/GM combo, Hurney and Rivera are absolutely horrible. They have too many of the same weaknesses and don't compliment each other at all. Heck, Hurney and John Fox actually have a better record of success than Hurney and Rivera.

Keeping those two together would be a disaster.