Bill Barnwell on Matt Kalil roster status

[Bronn]

Current cap

Cut him now, no designation

Cut post June 1st designation

 

Cut post June 1^st 2020

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Any off the couch OT is going to be awful. Unfortunately, we gave a guy who is off the couch awful a $50M+ contract.

My take on Kalil has long been that we took a gamble on him being healthy but he never was.

I'll always wonder if we would have done the deal without Ryan on the team and Jerry Richardson saying "spend money". 

But ya know, "ifs and buts"...

[Ricky Spanish]

8 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

If you aren't using that cap room this year, you can roll ot over and have it largely negative his dead money next year. We can move on right now if we want to do it and we absolutely should.

Fair point. 

It really is a lose lose situation. 

[Moo Daeng]

12 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

I think a lot of us are forgetting or downplaying this fact. Smith and Kalil are tying up over 12M that could be used next year - and we may need it to sign Daryl Williams long term. 

Smith's contract isnt guaranteed tomorrow. That decision can be made later and it doesn't make a difference 

[Proudiddy]

5 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Current cap

 

 

Cut him now, no designation

 

 

 

Cut post June 1st designation

 

 

 

 

 

Cut post June 1^st 2020

 

 

 

 

I favor cutting him post June 1st, 2019.

[Bronn]

1 minute ago, Proudiddy said:

I favor cutting him post June 1st, 2019.

samesies

[ellis]

This was never, ever a good idea.

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

I favor cutting him post June 1st, 2019.

Which has to be done by tomorrow and designated a post-June 1st cut. His salary guarantees for the year tomorrow.

[Daddy_Uncle]

35 minutes ago, ericr0319 said:

this is my take - if we do not plan on making any other moves than it is better to keep him. 

cuttin him (post june 1) saves us 7.25 mil, but cost us 9.8 next year. if we arent spending that 7.25 this year, pay him

if we cut him next year (post june 1) saves us 11 mil next year and only cost is 4.9 the following. 

 

if he is on the roster it doesn't mean he has to start. he is good DEPTH. need depth on the oline. yes i dont like paying someone that kind of money for depth, but keeping him this year is better for us next year, especially if we are done with big splashes in FA. he has no future on this team and we could still draft OL in the 1st round. 

That's all well and good but I highly doubt, if he is on the roster and "healthy" he will be used as "depth." he will be a starter. Sometimes the right thing to do for everyone involved it to cut ties and move on. We can fill the roster spot with a better player instead of wasting a roster spot. And he will be allowed to seek a starting opportunity somewhere else

[Navy_football]

10 minutes ago, Bronn said:

Current cap

 

 

Cut him now, no designation

 

 

 

Cut post June 1st designation

 

 

 

 

 

Cut post June 1^st 2020

 

 

 

 

Good stuff Bronn! I'd probably prefer to just cut him with no designation. 

What if the team traded him?

[Snake]

You have to keep him. It's better to have a expensive back up than a huge cap hit and no player. Dave screwed us on this deal.

[LinvilleGorge]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

My take on Kalil has long been that we took a gamble on him being healthy but he never was.

I'll always wonder if we would have done the deal without Ryan on the team and Jerry Richardson saying "spend money". 

But ya know, "ifs and buts"...

To me, a gamble on health looks something like Daryl William's one year $6M deal. We gave Kalil a TON of guaranteed money in that gamble. He didn't work out and here we are three years down the road still trying to navigate that mess. If Daryl doesn't work out, we've spent $6M this year with zero future cap repercussions. That's quite a bargain considering it looks like we're going to spend $5M on Torrey Smith.

[kungfoodude]

13 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

My take on Kalil has long been that we took a gamble on him being healthy but he never was.

I'll always wonder if we would have done the deal without Ryan on the team and Jerry Richardson saying "spend money". 

But ya know, "ifs and buts"...

Who the fug gambles with a contract like that??? That isn't gambling, that is just flushing money down the toilet. The fact is, health or not, he has been a terrible OT for every single season of his career outside his rookie year. It was an ATROCIOUS decision at the time and in hindsight, it looks even more atrocious.

At this point, I literally just want to see him jettisoned so I can try and forget he ever came here.

[ellis]

Also, we’ve only been clear of Oher’s dead money for a few months. 

I’m not gonna take a dump on Dave all day here, because things happen. But this has miserable few years of deceased cash for one position.