Drafttek Mock Draft (April 17th)

[Peppers90 NC]

Sweat is obviously the sexy pick, but I also think it will take him a few seasons to reach his potential, ie a long learning curve. Whereas Ferrel, would be able to contribute off the bat, for a team that wants to win now, it's not a bad thing at all.

A lot of these athletic freaks also tend to bust out of the league. Ferrel does not excite me, but we could do worse and he fills an immediate need. This draft to me would be a home run.

[JARROD]

I’ll say this again about taking 2 DE. I just watched several films on Jalen Jelks,.. Oregon. He looks pretty good too- high motor, relentless pursuit, see him pushing OT and guards back, shedding blocks to get tackles and sacks, doesn’t over pursue. I like his tape much better than Burns— compared to Jason Taylor.

I could see Ferrell and then Jelks— for example. I know we looking because we brought in Bagodu who is in the similar draft territory. I just liked Jelks tape much better.

[Sub Zero]

3 minutes ago, JARROD said:

I’ll say this again about taking 2 DE. I just watched several films on Jalen Jelks,.. Oregon. He looks pretty good too- high motor, relentless pursuit, see him pushing OT and guards back, shedding blocks to get tackles and sacks, doesn’t over pursue. I like his tape much better than Burns— compared to Jason Taylor.

I could see Ferrell and then Jelks— for example. I know we looking because we brought in Bagodu who is in the similar draft territory. I just liked Jelks tape much better.

I like Ferrell and Polite or Crosby or ximdes..

[poorboysrev]

I mean just go watch the film of Ferrell against Jonah Williams(who is going to be a very good starting nfl tackle) in the championship game ...how you can watch that and be like meh that dude’s ok I guess. I really don’t get it

[poorboysrev]

https://twitter.com/PFF/status/1090622455150985217

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[FakePlasticTrees]

2 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

Joey bosa ran a 4.9, was that worrying?

i hear that dudes doing ok now

This point only serves to highlight the fact that Ferrell never ran the 40. In my post, I was being kind and guessing that he ran in the 4.7 or 4.8 range because that is the average combine 40 speed for DE's. Your point makes me question the accuracy of my estimate and worry even more about what his 40 time would have been had he run it. If you read his weaknesses that I posted in this thread (from NFL.com) in the context of avoiding the 40 at the combine and his pro day a reasonable inference is there is a major red flag. Furthermore, I believe he tore his ACL in his freshman year.

I am not a Ferrell hater by any means and the whole draft process and analysis is and will remain an inexact science. However, for me, Ferrell as a mid-first round pick is underwhelming and uninspiring. If we drafted him I will hope that I am wrong.

 

[tiger7_88]

Don't know if anyone has noticed, but they've already updated their mock.  Carolina's has slightly changed:

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1 (16).  Clelin Ferrell, Clemson (Edge)

2 (47).  Juan Thornhill, Virginia (S)

3 (77).  Yodney Cajuste, West Virginia (OT)

3 (100).  Nate Davis, Charlotte (OG)

4 (115).  Corbin Kaufusi, BYU (DL5T)

5 (154).  Trayveon Williams, Texas A&M (RB)

6 (187).  Dontavius Russell, Auburn (DL1T)

 

I like this version better than the previous version due to (1) picking up VERY good running back for quality depth behind CMC and (2) my Auburn boy, Dontavius Russell, who has been rock-solid doing the inside-dirty-work playing on a very good Auburn DL for 4 years in the SEC (153 total tackles in four years as a 1T with 17 TFL and 6 sacks).  With the recent re-signing of Kyle Love, if Russell was one of the picks he might start the season on PS, but he would add great depth to the Panther's DL in the near future IMO.  He could easily, at low cost (in the case of this mock, a 6th round pick), slot right into Vernon Butler's spot on the depth chart and would absolutely make it easy as pie to move on from Butler after the 2019 season.

 

[micnificent28]

5 hours ago, Keeksneak59 said:

Also Ferrell's pursuit skills at following the ball is why GMs love him. I'm no scout or anything but I do watch the tapes. He'll be a nightmare for the O line in run blocking. Plus the way he moves his body all elusive-like to avoid being blocked to make a play in trash is nice too. 

What gms love him?  He is never projected higher than us... and even with us there really is no smoke, I don’t think we love him which is why so many trade up rumors are rampant. Smooth as butter? You must not have seen him in the combine drill I posted.

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

This point only serves to highlight the fact that Ferrell never ran the 40. In my post, I was being kind and guessing that he ran in the 4.7 or 4.8 range because that is the average combine 40 speed for DE's. Your point makes me question the accuracy of my estimate and worry even more about what his 40 time would have been had he run it. If you read his weaknesses that I posted in this thread (from NFL.com) in the context of avoiding the 40 at the combine and his pro day a reasonable inference is there is a major red flag. Furthermore, I believe he tore his ACL in his freshman year.

I am not a Ferrell hater by any means and the whole draft process and analysis is and will remain an inexact science. However, for me, Ferrell as a mid-first round pick is underwhelming and uninspiring. If we drafted him I will hope that I am wrong.

 

It was deliberate... he did all events except the ones that show explosion. It looks like he has something to hide. 

[Panthers8969]

1 hour ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

This point only serves to highlight the fact that Ferrell never ran the 40. In my post, I was being kind and guessing that he ran in the 4.7 or 4.8 range because that is the average combine 40 speed for DE's. Your point makes me question the accuracy of my estimate and worry even more about what his 40 time would have been had he run it. If you read his weaknesses that I posted in this thread (from NFL.com) in the context of avoiding the 40 at the combine and his pro day a reasonable inference is there is a major red flag. Furthermore, I believe he tore his ACL in his freshman year.

I am not a Ferrell hater by any means and the whole draft process and analysis is and will remain an inexact science. However, for me, Ferrell as a mid-first round pick is underwhelming and uninspiring. If we drafted him I will hope that I am wrong.

 

CF didn’t run the 40 bc he was coming off/ still dealing with turf toe. From what I’ve seen, he seems to have average speed. I’d be surprised if he didn’t beat Bosa’s 40 time. 

And my point was that Bosa was the 3rd ovr pick, never dealt with this “low ceiling” crap and ran a slow 40. He’s an elite DE now. Also (and I’m not saying you specifically here) I feel like if CF ran the same as Bosa people would say that’s slow, not average and would be surprised to learn Bosa ran the same. I think the “low ceiling” phrase is just already stuck in people’s heads so they’d process the info differently 

[Panthers8969]

14 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

It was deliberate... he did all events except the ones that show explosion. It looks like he has something to hide. 

He was coming off an injury, why would he run those drills and have people say “wow look how slow he is after not using his legs for the past x months” most players, minus polite, train for the combine and he couldn’t bc of his turf toe. If you watch film CF has a great get off/ first step explosion. 

As to why he did some drills, but not others, I’m not really sure. Bad advice from agent I guess

[micnificent28]

3 minutes ago, Panthers8969 said:

He was coming off an injury, why would he run those drills and have people say “wow look how slow he is after not using his legs for the past x months” most players, minus polite, train for the combine and he couldn’t bc of his turf toe. If you watch film CF has a great get off/ first step explosion. 

As to why he did some drills, but not others, I’m not really sure. Bad advice from agent I guess

If your injured you wouldn’t do any of the drills l would suppose. But the ones that scouts question the most about him, the ones that would have improved his draft stock the most he avoided. By doing some and not those you look guilty and like you said bad advice indeed.

[kungfoodude]

7 hours ago, micnificent28 said:

Here's an example of when people use "upside" 

Safety

Juan Thornhill, Virginia

What do NFL teams love most in a prospect? Athleticism and versatility. Thornhill has both. He played cornerback and safety for the Cavaliers, picking off 13 passes in his career. And he finished first among safeties in the vertical leap (44 inches) and broad jump (141 inches) at the combine, where he also ran a 4.42 40. He has tremendous upside.

Projection: Second round

per-Mel Kiper.

Yeah but he was also extremely productive in college.

[mc52beast]

Interesting that with all the rumors of Hurney taking a qb this year that he doesn’t have one going to us. 

Love the guy from Va, got to see him a lot being in Chesapeake. Dude can play and would make our secondary scary good. 

Not so high on Ferrell. Don’t know what it is, maybe because he had so much talent around him he looked better than he actually is.