Vernon Butler, the 3-4, and depth on the DL

[ncfan]

There is no way I see how Butler makes this team.

With us being more of a base 3-4 what/how much are we going to keep on the DL.

Is Love and Cox going to be the only backups?

 

I know last week it seemed more and more that people including @Jeremy Igo seemed Efe Obada could be the odd man out.

 

Accroding to the panthers listed depth chart.  Love back up Poe at the NT.  Cox back up McCoy at one DE spot and Butler backs up KK at the other one

Obada is listed as the 3 string DE.  If Butler is cut, could this open the spot?  

I believe it was @RoaringRiot who was on wfnz here recently mentioning how Obada has never played 3-4 in his life.

  I didnt notice him to see how he looked the other night.  But is he back in the picture to make the roster?

 

[FakePlasticTrees]

I suspect that Butler's size augers in his favor in terms of him making the team. Having said that, his play in the remaining preseason games are likely to be important. His play was not completely horrible in the recent game. However, it was very inconsistent with a couple of really low lows.

[BrianS]

Butler costs us 2.6 million this season whether he makes the team or not.

[rayzor]

Butler should not see the field at all in real game situations so the cap hit should be a moot point. 

If he isn't going to see the field and will likely be inactive much of the time, he's a glorified practice dummy. That cap # is burned cash. Might as well move on and let someone have that spot who gives a poo and can get poo done.

[RoaringRiot]

Has Butler really been as bad as everyone thinks? I’m not totally sure. He’s the guy the fans are piling up on now so I think more people are going with that narrative because someone else said it. He was inconsistent on Thursday but he had some really nice push on a few plays. 

[Moo Daeng]

Just now, RoaringRiot said:

Has Butler really been as bad as everyone thinks? I’m not totally sure. He’s the guy the fans are piling up on now so I think more people are going with that narrative because someone else said it. He was inconsistent on Thursday but he had some really nice push on a few plays. 

He had good and bad moments. I agree that fans are piling on based on group thought. They have preseason games for a reason. No need to jump to conclusions after one 

[RoaringRiot]

2 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

He had good and bad moments. I agree that fans are piling on based on group thought. They have preseason games for a reason. No need to jump to conclusions after one 

Exactly correct. 

I would be pretty shocked if he doesn’t make the team. He’s not going to live up to his draft position but he’s fine rotationally. 

Ive just asked our film guy to break down his week one performance since everyone thinks it was such garbage.

[raleigh-panther]

2 hours ago, RoaringRiot said:

Has Butler really been as bad as everyone thinks? I’m not totally sure. He’s the guy the fans are piling up on now so I think more people are going with that narrative because someone else said it. He was inconsistent on Thursday but he had some really nice push on a few plays. 

He is terrible 

if the Panthers thought he had any potential, they would have picked up his option as DTs don’t grow on trees...you know this too

to some the nfl is just a job and some don’t do that job well.  Butler is that guy 

panthers should find someone on the cut lists or practice squads who wants to play. Can’t be worse 

[TheSpecialJuan]

Vernon Butler will make this team 

[RoaringRiot]

2 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

He is terrible 

if the Panthers thought he had any potential, they would have picked up his option as DTs don’t grow on trees...you know this too

to some the nfl is just a job and some don’t do that job well.  Butler is that guy 

panthers should find someone on the cut lists or practice squads who wants to play. Can’t be worse 

What exactly about his play is terrible?

[rayzor]

7 hours ago, ncfan said:

There is no way I see how Butler makes this team.

With us being more of a base 3-4 what/how much are we going to keep on the DL.

Is Love and Cox going to be the only backups?

 

I know last week it seemed more and more that people including @Jeremy Igo seemed Efe Obada could be the odd man out.

 

Accroding to the panthers listed depth chart.  Love back up Poe at the NT.  Cox back up McCoy at one DE spot and Butler backs up KK at the other one

Obada is listed as the 3 string DE.  If Butler is cut, could this open the spot?  

I believe it was @RoaringRiot who was on wfnz here recently mentioning how Obada has never played 3-4 in his life.

  I didnt notice him to see how he looked the other night.  But is he back in the picture to make the roster?

 

The fact obada has never played 3-4 isn't that much of a concern for me. He had never played football at all until just a few years ago. The guy is a quick study. He'll be alright. 

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

The fact obada has never played 3-4 isn't that much of a concern for me. He had never played football at all until just a few years ago. The guy is a quick study. He'll be alright. 

So if it comes down to the last spot your keeping on the DL, who are you keeping?  Him or Butler?  

[rayzor]

2 minutes ago, ncfan said:

So if it comes down to the last spot your keeping on the DL, who are you keeping?  Him or Butler?  

Probably obada. More upside. Worth the shot.

[Seltzer]

I hope there is a way to keep Cox, Jr. and Obada, just not sure the numbers will allow it...

Do think Butler is going to be kept as a depth piece even though he has been a major disappointment.  

Honestly, and although Rivera & Hurney can't verbalize it, I'm sure they wouldn't be upset if Christian Miller gets a minor injury that "will require stashing him on IR" for basically a redshirt season to bulk up and acclimate to the NFL much like Haynes did last year.  I'm still high on him long-term, but he is clearly behind Addison, Burns, Irvin, Haynes, Obada, and Cox in terms of being able to contribute immediately.

Would much rather stash him on IR than cut Obada or Cox for this year.  Irvin and/or Addison may be gone next year, so the numbers will work out better.

I do strongly believe Obada or Cox will get signed to a NFC South team if we cut them.  Will be a kick to the nuts to see them do well against the Panthers when they were developed here.