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The Long Ball

TPanther920

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What the hell is the obsession with the long down field pass. Posters screaming " they didn't throw any deep passes" Who gives a poo. I'll take moving the ball in 4-5 yard chucks over a hail mary any day. If the QB has to dink and dunk the entire game who cares. Move the chains. Win the game.  

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"dinking and dunking" doesn't work if you can't threaten a defense vertically.     

Inherent to the philosophy itself is the need to scare teams down the seams when they inevitably catch on and line up in their cover 2.

 

I presumably don't need to harp on the  record since we stopped taking shots.

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18 minutes ago, TPanther920 said:

What the hell is the obsession with the long down field pass. Posters screaming " they didn't throw any deep passes" Who gives a poo. I'll take moving the ball in 4-5 yard chucks over a hail mary any day. If the QB has to dink and dunk the entire game who cares. Move the chains. Win the game.  

I don't mean this in a condescending way but do you know anything about offensive philosophies? Basically the simple version is you need to at least THREATEN the defense with the deep ball to open up underneath. If teams know Cam can't throw the ball past 15 yards there's no reason to respect that aspect of the game and they will suffocate out the small gain

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22 minutes ago, TPanther920 said:

What the hell is the obsession with the long down field pass. Posters screaming " they didn't throw any deep passes" Who gives a poo. I'll take moving the ball in 4-5 yard chucks over a hail mary any day. If the QB has to dink and dunk the entire game who cares. Move the chains. Win the game.  

Because when you become a team that doesn’t threaten downfield.....it makes it harder for the offense to be consistent.  See the Panthers. 

Even Tom Brady has to go downfield in order to carve teams up with his small ball dissection of teams. 

 

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1 minute ago, PantherFanInPhilly said:

If you don't understand why teams possibly recognizing Cam (still) don't have a long ball is a very bad thing, I don't know what to tell you. 

Exactly.  If we don't take any longshots against the Bucs, it's going to be a very long year.  The Rams weren't sure if Cam could do it and had to at least be prepared for a long ball.  If teams know that Cam can't throw the ball long, they will stuff the box.

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I'm not saying the deep ball was never there, b/c it was on a few plays.  For whatever reason, Cam either went for an underneath player or missed (the misses to Olsen and Samuel stand out b/c they were high-school football level open).

That being said, when a QB is under as much duress as Cam was for a lot of the game, they feel pressure sometimes even when it's not there.

Every time I remember Cam getting sacked, they were on him unbelievably quick.  

You can fault Cam for the overthrows, and he deserves it, but he also made some tough throws in messy pockets, too.

I'm just trying for a fair assessment of Cam.  He wasn't bad, but he also does have to better (along with the offensive line and the WR's (Moore) for us to be a good team.

He barely took any snaps in preseason.  He was rusty.  Goff was rusty.  Almost every QB yesterday outside of Brady (who at 42 actually played in the preseason) looked rusty.

I agree with everyone that we need to have the long ball to return to 2015.  It's just not as easy in real games as it appears in training camp with the QB not being touched. 

I honestly do not think it has anything to do with the physical condition of Cam shoulder.  He had plenty of juice on the balls, and the throws he missed were overthrows with too much juice and/or timing that was off.

I do think it will come.  It needs to against Tampa on Thursday.

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We don't know yet whether Cam throw the ball deep. My point was about all the whining about not throwing the ball deep ....All the time. F that. Go for it occasionally to keep the defense honest. Just like running up the middle. But the harping on throw it deep throw it deep seems to be more about Fantasy points than good play calling.

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