For those of you who say that Allen didn’t play against Saint’s starters.

[GRWatcher]

40 minutes ago, Smithers said:

This is just ignorant.  So let’s practice all week, prepare to play in front of our home crowd, risk injury to the majority of our starters, only to run defensive plays that really aren’t a part of a strategy to win.  LOL.

They probably thought they would win just by showing up. They have become as arrogant as their coach.

[top dawg]

6 hours ago, GoPanthers123 said:

I’m fully convinced that Allen has higher ceiling than Grier anyway.   Just get an O Line first, please.  

I don't know how you're "fully convinced." It's not like we've seem any type of appreciable sample size from either.

I can't go on just a feeling. 

Grier had the more distinguished college career and was drafted. Allen is going to have to show me a whole lot more before I think his ceiling is higher than Grier's. This Sunday will be the test.

[BrianS]

One of the things that strikes me about that particular game is this:  "What if Kyle Allen is really just that good?"

We now know that the injury to Cam was far, far more than the coaches EVER let us in on.  Is it possible that Kyle should have started six weeks sooner?  As fans, we didn't know how badly Cam was hurt right away.  Yes, it became obvious as time went on.  Still, the staff knew.  Did Kyle Allen actually give us a better chance in some of those November and December games?  It's debatable.

I have some serious reservations about Kyle Allen.  Don't get me wrong.  The kid has a live arm and a great attitude.  I'm just not yet convinced on his work above the shoulders.  I'm rooting for him though.  I would love for him to play so well that we have a legit competition at QB.

[raz]

kyle has to run around in the shower just to get wet.   i hope he holds up

[!stUp]

One thing I noticed about Allen (while looking at the NO game highlights), he has good speed on roll outs and good accuracy. I just don't think we we see the blood bath that some here are predicting.

[raleigh-panther]

10 hours ago, ellis said:

He could totally bomb on Sunday. It’s a real possibility.

But the idea that he didn’t play against top level competition on his first start is ridiculous. The crowd was loud as hell, they were blitzing 5/6 defenders. Tight man coverage.

They got thoroughly embarrassed in that first half. And their coach wasn’t happy about it.

Again, it doesn’t mean he’ll do any better this week. I just don’t think the game is too big for him at this point.

And the Saints were soooo motivated right?

come on

look, I want Allen to do well.  I want the team to do well but if anyone thinks that Carolina would have won that game if the Saints had not already clinched their playoff spot, that’s nuts 

I’d believe more that the Saints tanked in a meaningless game to lower the Panthers draft position then the ‘competition’ against 1st stringers 

...that’s what Ron has a tendency to do,...win games in December that doesn’t matter against teams that are out of it or have clinched 

[PanthersNC1984]

It was clear as day the Saints weren’t playing hard and Payton was trying to screw our draft position by letting us win, that Saints game had about as much meaning for the Saints as a pre season game

[grimesgoat]

20 minutes ago, PanthersNC1984 said:

It was clear as day the Saints weren’t playing hard and Payton was trying to screw our draft position by letting us win, that Saints game had about as much meaning for the Saints as a pre season game

If the Panthers ever throw a home game against a division rival in order for said rival to possibly drop a few spots in a draft 4 months away, I will officially turn in my fan card.

[Archimedes]

25 minutes ago, PanthersNC1984 said:

It was clear as day the Saints weren’t playing hard and Payton was trying to screw our draft position by letting us win, that Saints game had about as much meaning for the Saints as a pre season game

Exactly.  They had staters out there for some of the game, sure.  These guys are playing for their jobs and future contracts, they aren't going to lay down.  But every play call and scheme was vanilla, the saints looked nothing like a few weeks prior.  It's pretty obvious, that even though they would never admit it, the Saints were actively trying to lose the game. 

A win there and we move up 7 (I think?) spots in the draft.  Not just in the first round, in every round.  In the modern era, where you are able to pay rookies who contribute within a year or two peanuts for the first 4 years, draft picks have become exponentially more valuable.  It wasn't just a meaningless game for either team.  Sad thats the way the NFL draft structure works.  

But if Allen gets the start, hope he plays lights out this week.  

[electro's horse]

4 hours ago, Smithers said:

This is just ignorant.  So let’s practice all week, prepare to play in front of our home crowd, risk injury to the majority of our starters, only to run defensive plays that really aren’t a part of a strategy to win.  LOL.

its absolutely not. coaches do it all the time. 

Saints gave their starters reps on the field because they didn't want them to have 2 weeks off. They also knew they weren't going to win since they were starting bridgewater. All the starters were out by the third quarter at the latest. Jordan was out after like the second series iirc

Coaches aren't going to go out of their way to install special packages in a game like that, especially when its against a new qb who's never had a start. The game was a glorified preseason game for the Saints. 

but LOL i guess

[steven8989]

Please quit these stupid threads trying to prove he played against starters. THEY DIDN'T CARE FOR THE LAST TIME!!!

[Mr. Scot]

To be honest, even if you had starters playing the entire game (highly unlikely) you'd still have to remember that the primary objective in that game wasn't to win. It was to not get anybody hurt in a meaningless game prior to the playoffs.

Kinda hard to believe anybody was going all out given those circumstances.

[steven8989]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

To be honest, even if you had starters playing the entire game (highly unlikely) you'd still have to remember that the primary objective in that game wasn't to win. It was to not get anybody hurt in a meaningless game prior to the playoffs.

Kinda hard to believe anybody was going all out given those circumstances.

[MasterAwesome]

22 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

its absolutely not. coaches do it all the time. 

Saints gave their starters reps on the field because they didn't want them to have 2 weeks off. They also knew they weren't going to win since they were starting bridgewater. All the starters were out by the third quarter at the latest. Jordan was out after like the second series iirc

Coaches aren't going to go out of their way to install special packages in a game like that, especially when its against a new qb who's never had a start. The game was a glorified preseason game for the Saints. 

but LOL i guess

So they knew they weren’t gonna win playing one of the better backup QBs in Bridgewater, when we were playing...UFA Kyle Allen for his first career start? Were they that terrified of him? And do you think we installed a special package catered to Kyle Allen?

Luke and CMC (our best offensive and defensive players) were benched after one series each as well, so I’m not sure what the Cam Jordan thing is supposed to prove.

The Saints obviously weren’t doing everything they could to win (or else Brees and Kamara would’ve started and played the entire game), but nobody acknowledges that we held back with our starters just as much as they did lol. Y’all are doing everything you can to dismiss the Saints when every reason you use as evidence applies towards the Panthers as well (key starters were benched, backup QB, meaningless game, etc.).