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Props to Poe

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He has to get credit for several of the sacks. He was collapsing the interior all game forcing Murray to scramble.  Looking good so far in the 3-4. I even saw Obada blowing up the middle as well.  D-line came together in second half & hope this is starting a trend. Rushed four most the game & was getting pressure without the need to blitz. Limited Arizona to 126 Net passing yards. Pretty damn good. 

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1 hour ago, KSpan said:

In all fairness he was not very good last year, or particularly good in Atlanta before that.

In all fairness, he wasn't "bad" last year, and he was actually better the year before. Some of you look at everything in a vacuum. He was above average last year, particularly against the run (and that was in a scheme that wasn't the best fit). Don't believe me? Do some research. Sure, he didn't get a lot of sacks, but he really never did. He's gets push though, and unlike what some suggest, he must be accounted for. So far this season, he's getting more push than I've seen Star get a whole season.

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2 hours ago, top dawg said:

No! I was repeatedly told that he sucks by the Huddle-oligists! You can't be right!

He has sucked. But he has also been in a 4-3.  Can’t think of another game he’s been here other than today he has looked average to above average.

Thought that was the point of the thread...

Good new because he hasn’t been worth his 10+ million contract.

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35 minutes ago, top dawg said:

In all fairness, he wasn't "bad" last year, and he was actually better the year before. Some of you look at everything in a vacuum. He was above average last year, particularly against the run (and that was in a scheme that wasn't the best fit). Don't believe me? Do some research. Sure, he didn't get a lot of sacks, but he really never did. He's gets push though, and unlike what some suggest, he must be accounted for. So far this season, he's getting more push than I've seen Star get a whole season.

Yea I think he’s been average at his very best since he’s been here. That’s not going by any metric or star, just comparing him to other DTs making his money.

May not be all his fault due to the 4-3. As a NT he seems to be worth his money.

In his words ‘doesn’t matter 4-3 or 3-4 if you can play, you can play’ is, well, completely false not only in his case but a lot of players.

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38 minutes ago, top dawg said:

In all fairness, he wasn't "bad" last year, and he was actually better the year before. Some of you look at everything in a vacuum. He was above average last year, particularly against the run (and that was in a scheme that wasn't the best fit). Don't believe me? Do some research. Sure, he didn't get a lot of sacks, but he really never did. He's gets push though, and unlike what some suggest, he must be accounted for. So far this season, he's getting more push than I've seen Star get a whole season.

As a rough reference, Poe was PFF's 82nd ranked interior DL last year, a whopping 10 spots above Vernon Butler at 92. I also didn't say anything about Star, who I feel like had a monstrous 2013 both stuffing the run and rushing the passer but steadily declined thereafter.

Is that the end-all definitive source of truth? No, definitely not. But even assuming they're 25% low that puts him around 60th, smack at the bottom tier of starting interior lineman. I watched every game last year (a rarity since I am not a Carolina local) and 82nd fits about what I saw... not a great year in either the run or pass. This year has been better, be it scheme or otherwise.

 

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