Should I Listen to Bill, or Todd Bowles the DC We Destroyed in 2015

[pantherclaw]

Set....why do you hate that we're winning?

[Moo Daeng]

Are y'all getting paid for this propaganda. This was several years ago.

[electro's horse]

Obama was still president when this happened so it was roughly 1500 years ago. 

[ncfan]

Over a Third of the league would be interested in Cam if we decide to trade him

So listen to more than just those 2 coaches

 

[Moo Daeng]

4 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Over a Third of the league would be interested in Cam if we decide to trade him

So listen to more than just those 2 coaches

 

10 of 32 is not over a third....but that's beside the point.

[BrianS]

4 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Are y'all getting paid for this propaganda. This was several years ago.

Exactly, that was said back in 2017 the week before Cam went into Foxboro and hung 33 on Coach Hoodie's D.

[pantherclaw]

What is the agenda here? Is it to ask whom is the better talent? 

I think it's quite foolish to be even debating this, as everyone knows Cam is the better talent. 

So, once again, what is the agenda?

[CRA]

27 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFIGJiA1zc8

I'd wanna prop up Kyle Allen to after Newton did this with a bunch of no name / considered bust receivers. People really forget how good a healthy Cam is. Ginn / Brown / Cotchery / Olse / Funchess (rookie)

 

Oh yeah, and the other time we faced Bowles with a healthy Cam... 

 

 

I mean facts do matter...not sure you really remember that game since you are pimping it as Cam owning Bowles.

Cam completed 39% of his passes for 168 yards, no passing TDs.  3 sacks and a fumble.  His worst game of the season.  He did add 28 yards on the ground and a score though. 

Jets had our O figured out and stopped.   

[WOW!!]

I remember in 2014 after a few good games.. Ppl thought KB was a good replacement for Smitty..

Lol

[ncfan]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

I remember in 2014 after a few good games.. Ppl thought KB was a good replacement for Smitty..

Lol

Hey we've been undefeated and strong run game since Daryl Williams took over for Turner at RG

 

Guess we should extend Williams and get rid of Williams too!

[rayzor]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

From October 1st, regarding the now fired Jay Gruden...

Belichick is notorious for building up opponents. If you asked him about Eric Washington, he'd probably describe him as a great defensive coordinator.

That's not to say any of his compliments are invalid, mind you, but you've got to be kind of careful about going by what Belichick says.

Not saying you're wrong, but what is Bill's record against Cam? 9nly way that they could stop him was a cheap shot/late hit to the back in preseason. Beyond that, they had no real answer for him. Maybe that's the reason Cam was considered public enemy#1?

Only way he could be stopped was late hits and cheap shots (that the refs and league allowed) and he was only limited by Shula, no name receivers, and a barely existing OL.

The media and league and a significant segment of our own fanbase never liked him and wanted him to fail. He was far better than anyone thought and the only way he was going to be stopped was through constant abuse of his body through illegal, late, and cheap shots which went unpenalized for far too long under the rationale that 1) he's big enough that he can take it 2) he needs to be knocked down a few pegs and 3) he wasn't old enough. 

Cam was the most lethal QB in the league because there had never been anyone like him and his talents were wasted on a bad and mismanaged team.

Allen is good.... so far, but he's no Cam.

[Mr. Scot]

6 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Not saying you're wrong, but what is Bill's record against Cam? 9nly way that they could stop him was a cheap shot/late hit to the back in preseason. Beyond that, they had no real answer for him. Maybe that's the reason Cam was considered public enemy#1?

Only way he could be stopped was late hits and cheap shots (that the refs and league allowed) and he was only limited by Shula, no name receivers, and a barely existing OL.

The media and league and a significant segment of our own fanbase never liked him and wanted him to fail. He was far better than anyone thought and the only way he was going to be stopped was through constant abuse of his body through illegal, late, and cheap shots which went unpenalized for far too long under the rationale that 1) he's big enough that he can take it 2) he needs to be knocked down a few pegs and 3) he wasn't old enough. 

Cam was the most lethal QB in the league because there had never been anyone like him and his talents were wasted on a bad and mismanaged team.

Allen is good.... so far, but he's no Cam.

Does not being Cam equal being bad, though?

There are an awful lot of quarterbacks that the NFL perceives as being successful who are also not Cam. if you're going to make that the standard for declaring whether Kyle Allen is good or not, I think I can guess the conclusion.

Honestly, that's probably part of the issue with the scenarios here.

We've got people whose whole premise is that if he can't do what Newton does, he's never going to be as good. Reality is that there are a pretty good number of quarterbacks in the league who can't or don't do what Newton does but still manage to win a lot of games.

You have to look at it objectively.

[rayzor]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Does not being Cam equal being bad, though?

There are an awful lot of quarterbacks that the NFL perceives as being successful who are also not Cam. if you're going to make that the standard for declaring whether Kyle Allen is good or not, I think I can guess the conclusion.

Honestly, that's probably part of the issue with the scenarios here.

I think Allen is an ok QB and a decent fit for the system. I don't think he's a star. Cam was a guy you build a team around (that we should have done a better job of) because of the skillset he brings. Allen is a guy you plug into a system and hope he does well enough.

I am not, nor have I said, he's bad. I'm just not ready to crown him. As I've said before, he seems like a good enough game manager, but not much more than that. 

He's a good story, but I don't see him as a guy you can put the team on his back the way that Cam and Jake did. At least not yet I don't.

[WOW!!]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Does not being Cam equal being bad, though?

There are an awful lot of quarterbacks that the NFL perceives as being successful who are also not Cam. if you're going to make that the standard for declaring whether Kyle Allen is good or not, I think I can guess the conclusion.

Honestly, that's probably part of the issue with the scenarios here.

We've got people whose whole premise is that if he can't do what Newton does, he's never going to be as good. Reality is that there are a pretty good number of quarterbacks in the league who can't or don't do what Newton does but still manage to win a lot of games.

You have to look at it objectively.

This is BS.. It doesn't have to be the same way Cam did it..  If Kyle was playing like Kurt Warner when he took over for Trent Green this isn't even a debate.. If Kyle was a elite passer and we can see him carry a team (like a Cam, Russell, Rodgers) this isn't a debate.. Some ppl here can see when a team is carrying a QB or vice-versa..

It comes down to is Kyle more of a Andy Dalton or can he be a Phillp Rivers type QB.. We don't know.. But reality is when healthy you have a guy who has proven he is a QB who can carry a team..