POLL: Should Rivera get sent packing immediately? (There's ZERO need to wait anymore)

[fjblair]

There are also ZERO reasons to fire him at this point in the season.

[Wolfpredator]

3 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I have been done since 2016 or after the superbowl. I have pretty good foresight and i saw things only getting worse, people on here tried to argue with me but i never backed down from it. 

They still try to argue.  I see people all over facebook talking about how amazing the team is and Ron.  I don't think I have ever seen such a delusional fan base in the NFL...besides maybe the Cowturds.  

[RumHam]

1 hour ago, Toomers said:

  After that effort? Why? He’s gone. But there is no reason to handcuff whoever is left to run the team. You aren’t bringing anyone in from the outside. Just let it end naturally. 
 

  Just no good reason to do it now. From the team’s perspective. 

Ok boomer. Nm i misread this.

[Sam Mills Fan]

If Rivera is back next year, I won’t be a Panthers fan until he’s gone.

[Baskinridge]

Should have been fired long ago but yes fire him now. People are saying what is the benefit? Well......

1. There's still no 100% guarantee he will be let go. More likely this year than before? Of course...... but how many times has this guy pulled a houdini and escaped the axe when many thought otherwise? Hell, last year his defense was horrible, ran by the man he picked, and lost 7 in a row only winning a meaningless game against a team barely trying and was kept around. Why risk this man winning a few meaningless games and pulling the whole "Well Mr Tepper, I didnt have my star quarterback from the start, implemented a new defensive scheme and still won 7 or 8 games and I am a 2 x CoTY hurr durr and lo and behold be kept. As I said, less likely it happens but screw taking any chance of that and just cut ties. Hes made a ton of money being bad its not like he would be getting such a raw deal anyways.

2. Can evaulate other coaches on staff in the posistion. Will they be kept, probably not, but who knows why not see. Wont hurt the process in the offseason anyways.

3. Prevent losing draft posistion. Goes along with Rivera's ability to win those meaningless games and screw us out of better spots. Remember, its not just the first round that drops. Be smart. Higher spots means more access to certain players for the next gm. Or better draft capital to work with in trades etc. The one thing Rivera excels at is screwing this up with meaningless wins. We dont need that "But but it builds for next season" BS that people spew to justify it. It doesnt carry over to the next season and these coaches and players should care more in the games that actually matter anyways.

4. Personal satisfacton. This terrible coach likely ran hof talent into the ground with his poor actions. Hes a defensive genius whos high priced defense sucks. He doesnt put the best players on the field, cant manage scenarios, he brings stale or ineffective schemes, and rode success on the back of a greater man all the while taking the legs from under that man with poor backing in public ( Id take a shot too) and on the field (lmao mike shula, those wrs and olines)

5. Makes a statement from Tepper. Doesnt have to be his only decision to build the team back up especially when the offseasin hits. It does show he no longer tolerates mediocrity again and again and again. The fans would appreciate that.

[Wolfpredator]

Just now, Sam Mills Fan said:

If Rivera is back next year, I won’t be a Panthers fan until he’s gone.

I am seriously thinking the same, especially with our new owner.  If it was Richardson i'd just chalk it up to him being a stubborn old man that was stuck in his ways.  Ill be real, I was waiting everyday to hear he crocked in his sleep, thought it was coming any day but we found out he was an old racist pervert instead and was forced out.  With Tepper he has not said much but when he did, he made a point.  Now action needs to be seen on my end to know he is actually serious about making this team a contender.  Tired of this poo.  

[Doc Holiday]

22 minutes ago, davos said:

True true, in retrospect I totally get you.  I just remembered that being super heated back then prior to the SB run, distinctly that thread when I saw this one.  I do wonder if Rivera would had stayed if we had Tepper and not a senile great grandpa in charge at the time.  Let's be real as well, Cam was the biggest reason we made the SB run. 

Totally, I also posted a topic back in Cam's first year explaining why letting him run was a terrible idea going forward(It got heated and the topic was deleted, I wasnt banned or anything, they just deleted it), I also blame Rivera for that. but it is what it is at this point.

[OldNorthPowell]

If he is not fired I will not watch next season. Things need to change. 3 out of 9 winning seasons. Do we settle for below average.

[saX man]

101 votes and 72% want him gone immediately. 

Damming I say, damming.

[saX man]

So damming, one could say this thread has the beavers.  Welcome to Beavertown.

[Shocker]

We cant fire Rivera until after the season.  Reason is, the whole damn clown party has to go with him.

 

[tiger7_88]

Carolina Panther drafts in the Hurney/Rivera Era (bold with large font = A+ pick, bold font = good-to-excellent pick):

2011

1 (1). QB Cam Newton (true franchise QB)

2 (33). (Traded to New England in 2010 for a 3rd round pick (89th overall) which was used to select Armanti Edwards)

3 (65). DT Terrell McClain (utter failure in Carolina but astoundingly still in the league, now with Oakland)

3 (97). DT Sione Fua (another utter failure, 4 year NFL career, 40 games played, 35 total tackles)

4 (98). CB Brandon Hogan (utter failure, 3 games, 3 tackles, out of the league in less than a year)

5 (132). WR Kealoha Pilares (20 games, 2 receptions, 32 kick returns)

6 (166). LB Lawrence Wilson (no regular season games, multiple substance abuse violations and arrests)

6 (203). C Zack Williams (1 regular season game, out of the league after a year)

7 (244). OT Lee Ziemba (6 regular season games, waived/injured in 2012)

 

2012

1 (9). LB Luke Kuechly (HoF-level MLB)

2 (40).  OG Amini Silatolu (I... I... I just can't even on this one)

3 (73). (Traded to Chicago in 2011 for TE Greg Olsen) (A+level trade)

4 (103). DE Frank Alexander (decent player, multiple substance abuse suspensions, torn Achilles, gone after 3 years)

4 (104). WR Joe Adams (one and done, negative impact considering his tendency to fumble the ball as a returner)

5 (143). CB Josh Norman (high value pick for a 5th rounder, 8 year NFL career but, factually, only 3 impactful years of those 8)

6 (180). (Traded to SF in order to move up and select DE Frank Alexander in the 4th round)

6 (207). P Brad Nortman (45+ yards per punt career average)

7 (216). S D.J. Campbell (2 years, 9 regular season games, 15 tackles)

 

2018

1 (24). WR D.J. Moore (possible future star, has a chance to be a 1000 yard receiver in his 2nd season, work in progress)

2 (55). CB Donte Jackson (neutral pick at this point because, though he's made some amazing plays, those have been balanced by a ton of bad ones)

3 (85). DB Rashaan Gaulden (pick acquired in trade with Buffalo for Kelvin Benjamin)  (total mystery, this pick... TOTAL mystery)

3 (88). (Traded to GB for their 4th (101st) and 5th (147th) selections)

4 (101). TE Ian Thomas (who knows? Ron "I love my moxie vets" Rivera loves him some Chris Manhertz who has 212 snaps to Thomas's 64)

4 (136). DE Marquis Haynes (2 seasons, 14 games, 13 tackles, 1 sack... another mystery pick)

5 (147). (Traded to LA in order to move up and select Marquis Haynes)

5 (161). LB Jermaine Carter (special teams ace which brings this pick some value)

6 (197). (Traded to LA in order to move up and select Marquis Haynes)

7 (234). LB Andre Smith (another decent low-rounder that contributes on special teams)

7 (242). DT Kendrick Norton (PS player for Carolina 2018 and signed by Miami for PS 2019, out of the league now due to arm amputation)

 

2019

1 (16). DE Brian Burns (this pick can't be graded fairly since his head coach 1. won't play him and 2. often plays him out of position... extremely talented player though who can be an impact pass rusher at the right position and with the right coaching)

2 (37). OT Greg Little (an underperforming college OT moves up to the League and becomes an underperforming professional OT... shocking)

3 (77). (Traded to Seattle along with 2nd (47th) pick to move up to 2nd (37th) and select Greg Little)

4 (115). DE Christian Miller (again a hard-to-grade pick due to his lack of playing time, but has "flashed" in minimal opportunity, 5 games, 2 sacks)

5 (154). RB Jordan Scarlett (another classic Hurney/Rivera mystery pick which still puzzles)

6 (187). (Traded to Denver for their 6th (212th) and 7th (237th) selections)

6 (212). OT Dennis Daley (sadly, I'm grading this the best of the 2019 draft thus far, not because he's a great OT but because he's better than any other present option on the roster)

7 (228). (Traded to Buffalo along with WR Kaelin Clay for cornerback Kevin Seymour)

7 (237). WR Terry Godwin (a flyer who performed well in pre-season but cut by Hurney/Rivera anyway... now on the Jaguars PS)

[saX man]

1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

If Rivera is back next year, I won’t be a Panthers fan until he’s gone.

This season is showing us what a Cam Newton-less Ron Rivera team looks like.  Unless this guy has virtually no holes on the roster minus LT, S along with a star at QB, he's basically .500 or under.  I don't see why we don't start figuring out who could be retained knowing he's gone.  

If he's not, it will be a major red flag with Tepper and we're stuck with this owner now for ~20+ years.  That will be insanely depressing. 

[Ivan The Awesome]

It's not going to happen. Not until the end of the season.