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Who had a more successful 9 years with the Panthers: John Fox or Ron Rivera?

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1 hour ago, Randolph Panther said:

Except for the 2010 season their records have really mirrored each other.  After 8 seasons John was 76-60 counting playoffs and Ron was 74-60-1 counting playoffs.  

that's what next season is for too. it's also an even year and shaping up to be the same thing. In all honesty, i'd let him and cam finish their contracts but Hurney needs to go ASAP. And we need to ditch the 3-4. For some reason i don't think this was Ron's idea. He never changes poo. I think it was Hurney and/or Tepper who wanted the swap.

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1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

That's true, but Fox would have made more than one Super Bowl if he had Cam. That 2008 team was loaded and Jake was really the only weak point. 

I don't agree with this. The 2008 team's defense was awful in the few games of the season, and even if Jake doesn't melt down, Fox's refusal to not have Gamble shadow Larry Fitzgerald would still have likely cost us the game.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

One other thing to keep in mind when you think about how the two of them did: John Fox did this with Jake Delhomme as his QB for the equivalent of about 6 of those 9 seasons and also had Rodney Peete, Chris Weinke, Jimmy Clausen, David Carr, Matt Moore, and Vinny Testaverde thrown in the mix too. Up until this year, Ron Rivera has been mediocre despite having an MVP at QB.

Jake was the only one who Fox won with - all of those other guys you mentioned didn't even get them close to the playoffs. Fox also couldn't win the big one with Peyton Manning when he set just about every offensive single season record in Denver, what makes you think he would have done any different with Cam?

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1 hour ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Isn't it amazing how often this comes up as a positive for him? Not that I'm doubting it or saying you're wrong for listing it, I'm sure Ron is a super nice guy. But nice, well-liked guys get fired for poor job performance everyday in this country from minimum wage jobs all the way to the very top. How nice someone is shouldn't be a factor in deciding who your NFL head coach is.

It shouldn’t be the main factor, but how well a team likes and responds to your coaching absolutely matters. 

Rivera is a mediocre HC but the team usually competes hard even when we are bad.

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Jake took a lot of crap from fans on message boards, but he was a gutsy son of a bitch in the playoffs. I know the Seattle and Arizona games were catastrophes, but the Seattle game: they triple covered Steve Smith and they had no running backs. Arizona game was just a total meltdown, and the defense had a hand in that too.

But he had a special intuition in big moments. It’s why he still is the franchise’s all-time leader in fourth-quarter comebacks and game-winning drives. Four road playoff wins in two years. Made big, clutch throws in each of those wins. Tossed three touchdowns to three different WR and no picks against Bill Belichick’s patriots in SB38.

 

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