Would you have re-signed Thompson ahead of Bradberry?

[Anybodyhome]

2 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Bradberry no question. With the number of talented receivers in the South you need a corner that can at least slow them down. Bradberry does this on a consistent basis. 
 

Shaq is a pretty good lb but not as important to this team as Brad is... and definitely not worth the money Hurney gave him.

Comparing contracts for 2 positions is like comparing a merry-go-round to the Fury 325 at Carowinds. That being said, Shaq Thompson today is nearly identical to where Thomas Davis was in his 4th and 5th seasons. His tackles continue to increase, sacks increase, tackles for loss consistent and he's already a better pass defender than Thomas Davis ever was, and I think TD should be a HOF linebacker based on his numbers and longevity following 3 ACLs. So, although there seems to be a lot of people here who don't give Thompson his due, I would offer that Shaq Thompson is about as close to a clone replacement of TD as you'll ever see.

The average CB salary right now is $2.5M. Sure, you've got guys like Richard Sherman ($9M), D.J. Hayden ($6.3M), and the tandem of Jones & McCourty in New England making $7M &$6M each, but even if Bradberry were in the upper tier of the CB salary range, you're still looking at a $3.5-4M annual salary. 

Conversely, OLBs average $2.7M, but you've got guys like Mack ($23.5M), Von Miller ($16.5M), Barr ($13.5M), so the LB position has a much higher ceiling value than CB does. 

Lot easier to work a deal when the salary range is between $2.5M and $7M than it is if that range is $3M to $15M. Besides, this is Carolina doing what they've always done- give more attention to LBs than DBs, both in the draft and contract negotiations.   

[Raleigh PF]

I was ready to let Thompson walk at the end of the year, so definitely Bradberry first.

[Jared Patterson]

We need to sign Bradberry before the season ends

[MountaineerChemist10]

Yes. Only reason is b/c Bradberry is likely to be more expensive than Shaq. It's best to wait until last & sign the less expensive players first so you can get a better deal.

We're probably going to franchise tag Bradberry, then wait until later to resign him. Hopefully he won't holdout.

[Peon Awesome]

Honestly if you think about it, Shaq makes more sense to sign first. You can use the franchise tag on Bradberry and get him at a reasonable rate for 1 year while also putting pressure on his side to knock out a long-term deal for more guaranteed money. Franchise tags for linebackers are driven high by pass rushing 3-4 OLB and overvalue 4-3 OLB and 3-4 ILB where Shaq would play. The tag will cost over $15 million for Shaq and not give us a ton of leverage since I'm sure he would happily take +$15 million to play in 2020. Then we're back to square one in 2021 when inflation will only drive his price tag even further up.

The question isn't who would you rather have but who makes more sense to sign early and in that case, I stick with Shaq. I think it's incredibly likely we resign Bradberry anyway vs let him play out a year on the franchise tag but don't see him playing for another team in 2020.

[PhillyB]

the two have not the slightest bearing on one another and the discussion topic is pointless. next caller

[TheRed]

I don't see the rationale in the timing of the extension regardless. But certainly not in the midst of a losing season smack dab in between multiple blowout losses where our run defense is giving up historic numbers and we are hitting the reset button on the coaching staff.

As it stands right now we have been swept by the Falcons, we split with the Bucs, and in all likelihood we will be swept by the Saints again. Not what I would consider good timing to sink over a hundred million dollars between two linebackers.

[My Goodness My Guinness]

49 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

Comparing contracts for 2 positions is like comparing a merry-go-round to the Fury 325 at Carowinds. That being said, Shaq Thompson today is nearly identical to where Thomas Davis was in his 4th and 5th seasons. His tackles continue to increase, sacks increase, tackles for loss consistent and he's already a better pass defender than Thomas Davis ever was, and I think TD should be a HOF linebacker based on his numbers and longevity following 3 ACLs. So, although there seems to be a lot of people here who don't give Thompson his due, I would offer that Shaq Thompson is about as close to a clone replacement of TD as you'll ever see.

The average CB salary right now is $2.5M. Sure, you've got guys like Richard Sherman ($9M), D.J. Hayden ($6.3M), and the tandem of Jones & McCourty in New England making $7M &$6M each, but even if Bradberry were in the upper tier of the CB salary range, you're still looking at a $3.5-4M annual salary. 

Conversely, OLBs average $2.7M, but you've got guys like Mack ($23.5M), Von Miller ($16.5M), Barr ($13.5M), so the LB position has a much higher ceiling value than CB does. 

Lot easier to work a deal when the salary range is between $2.5M and $7M than it is if that range is $3M to $15M. Besides, this is Carolina doing what they've always done- give more attention to LBs than DBs, both in the draft and contract negotiations.   

https://overthecap.com/position/cornerback/

You are out of your mind if you think the upper tier CB salary is 4 million per year

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Someone pointed out that the only starting corner we have under contract next year is Donte Jackson.

Jackson as a number one corner? Definitely"not pretty".

Yup, and at this rate, he isn't guaranteed to be here.

Dumb team does dumb stuff.  Not surprising.

[thefuzz]

52 minutes ago, Anybodyhome said:

Comparing contracts for 2 positions is like comparing a merry-go-round to the Fury 325 at Carowinds. That being said, Shaq Thompson today is nearly identical to where Thomas Davis was in his 4th and 5th seasons. His tackles continue to increase, sacks increase, tackles for loss consistent and he's already a better pass defender than Thomas Davis ever was, and I think TD should be a HOF linebacker based on his numbers and longevity following 3 ACLs. So, although there seems to be a lot of people here who don't give Thompson his due, I would offer that Shaq Thompson is about as close to a clone replacement of TD as you'll ever see.

The average CB salary right now is $2.5M. Sure, you've got guys like Richard Sherman ($9M), D.J. Hayden ($6.3M), and the tandem of Jones & McCourty in New England making $7M &$6M each, but even if Bradberry were in the upper tier of the CB salary range, you're still looking at a $3.5-4M annual salary. 

Conversely, OLBs average $2.7M, but you've got guys like Mack ($23.5M), Von Miller ($16.5M), Barr ($13.5M), so the LB position has a much higher ceiling value than CB does. 

Lot easier to work a deal when the salary range is between $2.5M and $7M than it is if that range is $3M to $15M. Besides, this is Carolina doing what they've always done- give more attention to LBs than DBs, both in the draft and contract negotiations.   

What on Earth are you smoking, and how does one find it?

Bradberry is likely to command 13+ M per year in average salary.  

You need to read up.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/cornerback/

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, Davidson Deac II said:

The amounts are what is important, which is signed first is irrelevant.  

It matters if signing one affects your ability to sign the other.

Whether that happens in this case or not, unknown.

[MasterAwesome]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

Honestly, Bradberry should have been signed last offseason, before he could literally taste free agency.

But to answer your question, yes, I would have signed the harder to replace position before signing the easier one.

Take a look at our secondary, it ain't real pretty.

How does one "literally" taste free agency?  And what flavor is it?

Asking for a friend...

[Khyber53]

You definitely have to sign a young and improving Thompson now and let there be no question of his position on the team if:

The defense is moving back to a 4-3 alignment next season.

or

You need to have someone who can lead the defense should Luke suffer another concussion.

or

You want to protect the team from massive losses of core players to bolster the rebuild.

or

You understand that the CB market will be in heavy flux next year and you may not be able to afford Bradberry.

Shaq is a very, very good player, bordering on excellent. He is dependable and covers a lot of ground, just like Luke does. He's durable and young with tons of on field experience learned from some of the best in the league. It's not money poorly spent. 

We also don't know that Bradberry's agent wasn't also saying "Let's wait until after the season" to negotiate contracts. If that's the case, you move on to the next important resigning.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, MasterAwesome said:

How does one "literally" taste free agency?  And what flavor is it?

Asking for a friend...

A player who has never seen a big NFL payday can taste free agency once he gets this late into his current deal.  The strength of the flavors get stronger after every game in which he doesn't sustain an injury.

Only a few games left, and no more offseason activities he has to show up to with risk of injury....he is right there at it.

As to the flavor....have you ever licked a $100 bill?  That taste....paper, perfume, cocaine, new car scent, it's all mixed in there together.