Joe Brady's Offense: Could the scheme ensure better QB play?

[davos]

The TLDR: Rivera's offense was mostly the same under all 3 OCs with many low percentage, inefficient archaic play designs.  We simply added more screens and quick slants later on.  Brady will focus on mismatches and could really open things up in his hybrid-spread system.  This takes pressure off the OL with high % zone blocking and plays that get guys actually open.  In effect, the QB will be able to get things done much more easily IMO.    

Just want to throw out some optimism as we're mid-demolition.    

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I'm sure what I'm linking below is a re-posted article but the topic will pose a question about the QB and offense overall (see title)

Now I know people are hesitant with Cam with his injuries or having to see Will Grier or Kyle Allen again, but I do suggest we take a sober look at what we've had historically versus what Brady is going to bring in. 

Chud brought in a variation of Norv Turner's offense, Shula tweaked it to his own flavor (or lack thereof) and then Norv himself was brought in to implement the FULL NORM as the final solution for Rivera.  The terminology for all 3 was always ~90% the same.  In addition, under all three, we tended to have a decent amount of f*ck me low percentage throws based off a simple route tree. 

When Norv came along, some tweaks and blemishes were added, seeing more short dump offs, screens, quick slants, etc. that boosted completion rates, however they weren't implemented based off of mismatches; we simply added in high percentage completions for CMC and Curtis.  When you don't have a Cam at 100%, this resulted in yards and whatnot from Allen/Grier but a HIGHLY inefficient offense that didn't create opportunities for the skill players.   

What is interesting with Brady's approach and his background with Sean Payton is that they focus on creating mismatches.  Check out these articles below to get a sense of what I'm talking about.  This typically involves a heavily involved TE, pass catching RB, and at 3-4 fully capable WRs.   Now we have a long way to go with building an offensive line, but there could be some moderate success even if the line is half young guys, half bandages as we build. 

The question I pose: If we grab just a few legit skill position players (WR, TE, RB) that can block and take the top off defenses, that along with CMC, Moore, & Curtis could make things a lot easier for whoever is running the offense at QB. 

Do you see it making things easier for the QB? I feel like our offense has been an outlier when you look around the league from both a blocking and route standpoint.  We are now going to be on the progressive side of things so scheme alone could make a world of difference.   

Joe himself:

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“The most important thing that we do from a system standpoint is we find out what our players do well so we can put them in position to have success. . . Now, it’s critical that we find a vision for each and every player. The offense that we’re looking to have is one that applies pressure. . . We can do that in multiple ways, whether that’s formations, whether that’s personnel groupings or tempo. It’s our job to exploit mismatches and move guys around to get them the matchups that we want. Applying pressure, getting your speed in space, making defenses defend every blade of grass and just let your players do what they do best.”

From: https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/16/panthers-joe-brady-offensive-philosophy/

Another nice read:

https://www.derp/2020/1/27/21081531/nfl-carolina-panthers-film-room-breaking-down-the-joe-brady-offense

 

[Hoenheim]

He can't force Cam to stay healthy thats the main factor

I've seen enough of Allen and Grier to last me a lifetime. Scheme wasn't their issue. 

[therealmjl]

2 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

I've seen enough of Allen and Grier to last me a lifetime. Scheme wasn't their issue. 

Came here to say this

[davos]

Just now, Hoenheim said:

He can't force Cam to stay healthy thats the main factor

I've seen enough of Allen and Grier to last me a lifetime. Scheme wasn't their issue. 

Grier definitely looked out of his league but Allen at least seemed capable at times.  Grier was at a Pickles/XFL level with Allen at a backup/bandage level.  I do think we could draft someone mid-round to late that could have success with Brady's offense. 

I'm thinking Hurts or Morgan. Hurts looked iffy towards the playoffs and in the senior bowl, but I think he could be a Taysom Hill that is also the backup.  Could be interesting IMO. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

He can't force Cam to stay healthy thats the main factor

I've seen enough of Allen and Grier to last me a lifetime. Scheme wasn't their issue. 

That may be true, but it is fair to note that some quarterbacks look better in certain systems than they do others.

Jeff Garcia was a prime example. Put him in a West Coast Offense and he looked great. Put him in anything else and he looked like garbage.

[davos]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That may be true, but it is fair to note that some quarterbacks look better in certain systems than they do others.

Jeff Garcia was a prime example. Put him in a West Coast Offense and he looked great. Put him in anything else and he looked like garbage.

Yep.  My take is basically that people seem hesitant to grab a young guy before we build an OL as they could get destroyed and given Carr syndrome, but the offense may be QB friendly enough that a younger guy could do some damage.  Not Allen or Grier specifically, but let's say a 2nd-4rd rounder if something happens with Cam.  Or a FA that is viewed as average. 

I think we can still lose enough to land Fields, Newman or Trevor but we could pack more punch than expected.  And early on.   

[run-run-pass-punt]

Everything effects everything else - in life and in football.

Great players mask poor schemes. Great schemes elevate average players. It's all connected.

[raz]

the scheme helping the qb not have to beat teams by himself is absolutely the plan here.   

[CRA]

I think you need a good OL to run a copycat Saints O

[Jesse]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I think you need a good OL to run a copycat Saints O

Well they go hand in hand. With Brees ability to read the defense he understands how fast he needs to get the ball out. Faster the balls out, the less pressure he takes. Brees runs Payton's version of the WCO to perfection. Can we emulate that with Joe Brady and Cam? I doubt it, but I'm sure Brady will utilize our assets to their fullest capabilities. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Jesse said:

Well they go hand in hand. With Brees ability to read the defense he understands how fast he needs to get the ball out. Faster the balls out, the less pressure he takes. Brees runs Payton's version of the WCO to perfection. 

Burrow has that ability too.

Sounds like it's an important characteristic if you want to run Brady's offense.

[Cary Kollins]

Yes 

[Shocker]

I’d do it

Tua + Brady = 

[davos]

56 minutes ago, Jesse said:

Well they go hand in hand. With Brees ability to read the defense he understands how fast he needs to get the ball out. Faster the balls out, the less pressure he takes. Brees runs Payton's version of the WCO to perfection. Can we emulate that with Joe Brady and Cam? I doubt it, but I'm sure Brady will utilize our assets to their fullest capabilities. 

Exactly.  Brees in his prime was another level but the quick completions to open guys in the flat and mid-field always seemed to kill us against them.  I think there's some inherent benefits of that system that force the QBs to get it out quickly.  Given the designs, it's not forced throws into log jammed coverage like you would see with our slants and quick outs with DJ and Wright.