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2 hours ago, Happy Panther said:

Most of the world wore masks.

Masks have NOT proven to be effective, just look at the results. The rest of the world has gone to so much trouble wearing masks and the US hasn't but it hasn't changed anything. Sure, America has more cases, but that's only because it's a huge country with more people.

When you look at cases PER CAPITA the only countries doing better than the US are Laos, Papua New Guinea, Vietnam, Myanmar, Tanzania, Cambodia, Timor, Taiwan, Uganda, Angola, Burundi, Fiji, Syria, Niger, Thailand, Mozambique, Burkina Faso, Yemen, Chad, China, Eritrea, New Caledonia, Mongolia, Gambia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Togo, Trinidad and Tobago, Ethiopia, Jordan, Bhutan, Tunisia, Belize, Mali, Sri Lanka, Saint Lucia, Rwanda, Benin, Zimbabwe, Lesotho, Curacao, Malawi, Nigeria, Somalia, Anguilla, South Sudan, Grenada, Zambia, Cuba, Sierra Leone, French Polynesia, Liberia, Japan, Greenland, Dominica, New Zealand, Sudan, British Virgin Islands, Mauritius, Malaysia, South Korea, Jamaica, Georgia, Botswana, Kenya, Madagascar, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Brunei, Uruguay, Indonesia, Libya, Barbados, Slovakia, Comoros, Greece, Bonaire Sint Eustatius and Saba, Guyana, Hungary, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Lebanon, Venezuela, Morocco, Nicaragua, Guinea, Australia, Congo, Senegal, Cote d'Ivoire, Uzbekistan, Paraguay, Algeria, Cameroon, Nepal, Haiti, Namibia, Latvia, Northern Mariana Islands, Philippines, Lithuania, Tajikistan, Bahamas, Antigua and Barbuda, Egypt, Afghanistan, Central African Republic, India, Slovenia, Guinea-Bissau, Ghana, Aruba, Poland, Croatia, Seychelles, Cyprus, Pakistan, Western Sahara, Mauritania, Bangladesh, Finland, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Estonia, Malta, Albania, Norway, Swaziland, Guam, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Sint Maarten, Romania, Suriname, Austria, Liechtenstein, Denmark, Turks and Caicos Islands, Montserrat, Guatemala, Palestine, Germany, Bermuda, Iraq, Turkey, Costa Rica, France, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Azerbaijan, Mexico, Monaco, Canada, Netherlands, Cayman Islands, Gabon, Argentina, Jersey, Serbia, United States Virgin Islands, Iran, Kosovo, Falkland Islands, Guernsey, Honduras, Faeroe Islands, Sao Tome and Principe, Switzerland, Isle of Man, Cape Verde, Italy, Montenegro, Kazakhstan, United Kingdom, Ecuador, Colombia, Macedonia, Kyrgyzstan, Portugal, Puerto Rico, Djibouti, Ireland, Iceland, Dominican Republic, Gibraltar, Russia, Moldova, Belgium, Bolivia, Maldives, United Arab Emirates, Israel, Belarus, South Africa, Saudi Arabia, Sweden, Singapore, Luxembourg, Brazil, Peru and Andorra.

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1 hour ago, R0CKnR0LLA said:

Masks have NOT proven to be effective, just look at the results. The rest of the world has gone to so much trouble wearing masks and the US hasn't but it hasn't changed anything. Sure, America has more cases, but that's only because it's a huge country with more people.

When you look at cases PER CAPITA the only countries doing better than the US are Laos, Papua New Guinea, Vietnam, Myanmar, Tanzania, Cambodia, Timor, Taiwan, Uganda, Angola, Burundi, Fiji, Syria, Niger, Thailand, Mozambique, Burkina Faso, Yemen, Chad, China, Eritrea, New Caledonia, Mongolia, Gambia, Democratic Republic of Congo, Togo, Trinidad and Tobago, Ethiopia, Jordan, Bhutan, Tunisia, Belize, Mali, Sri Lanka, Saint Lucia, Rwanda, Benin, Zimbabwe, Lesotho, Curacao, Malawi, Nigeria, Somalia, Anguilla, South Sudan, Grenada, Zambia, Cuba, Sierra Leone, French Polynesia, Liberia, Japan, Greenland, Dominica, New Zealand, Sudan, British Virgin Islands, Mauritius, Malaysia, South Korea, Jamaica, Georgia, Botswana, Kenya, Madagascar, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Brunei, Uruguay, Indonesia, Libya, Barbados, Slovakia, Comoros, Greece, Bonaire Sint Eustatius and Saba, Guyana, Hungary, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Lebanon, Venezuela, Morocco, Nicaragua, Guinea, Australia, Congo, Senegal, Cote d'Ivoire, Uzbekistan, Paraguay, Algeria, Cameroon, Nepal, Haiti, Namibia, Latvia, Northern Mariana Islands, Philippines, Lithuania, Tajikistan, Bahamas, Antigua and Barbuda, Egypt, Afghanistan, Central African Republic, India, Slovenia, Guinea-Bissau, Ghana, Aruba, Poland, Croatia, Seychelles, Cyprus, Pakistan, Western Sahara, Mauritania, Bangladesh, Finland, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Estonia, Malta, Albania, Norway, Swaziland, Guam, El Salvador, Equatorial Guinea, Sint Maarten, Romania, Suriname, Austria, Liechtenstein, Denmark, Turks and Caicos Islands, Montserrat, Guatemala, Palestine, Germany, Bermuda, Iraq, Turkey, Costa Rica, France, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Azerbaijan, Mexico, Monaco, Canada, Netherlands, Cayman Islands, Gabon, Argentina, Jersey, Serbia, United States Virgin Islands, Iran, Kosovo, Falkland Islands, Guernsey, Honduras, Faeroe Islands, Sao Tome and Principe, Switzerland, Isle of Man, Cape Verde, Italy, Montenegro, Kazakhstan, United Kingdom, Ecuador, Colombia, Macedonia, Kyrgyzstan, Portugal, Puerto Rico, Djibouti, Ireland, Iceland, Dominican Republic, Gibraltar, Russia, Moldova, Belgium, Bolivia, Maldives, United Arab Emirates, Israel, Belarus, South Africa, Saudi Arabia, Sweden, Singapore, Luxembourg, Brazil, Peru and Andorra.

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On 7/16/2020 at 7:03 PM, R0CKnR0LLA said:

"If everyone wears masks we'll stop this thing instead of ending up with 3.5 million+ cases"

South Korea: OK, sounds good.

Americans:

 

Old post, I wear a mask now. Keep up. 

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Separation is the key.

We talked early early on about keeping people away from virus.  But, we did not, in fact, we did the unthinkable and placed infected people into rest homes.

Now we argue about "our rights" and try to shame others, placing blame is very childish and not participating in mitigation is the same.

Look at Vietnam, they are back to normal because the did both.  If you were found positive, you were not trusted to "self isolate".  You were shipped out of town to an army base.  Not living in a communist country is great "until" you have our political system and you try to herd all the cats in one direction.

Germany is another good example.  They absolutely did things like lock down rest homes, and even isolate the workers there.  Sometimes paying them increased pay for the isolation.  The rest of the country used common sense and mitigation measures.

What makes us strong makes us weak.  A smart US would understand that we are all one, but have different opinions and states have certain rights.  Why not have certain states use the options applied in Germany and HK for instance, especially CA, AZ and FL where the elderly populations are huge.  We have unique opportunities with 50 states (incubators if you will) to try different methods.  As some states get better results, other states will follow. Primarily, protect the vulnerable and let the rest of society live with safe measures in place.

But not here.  We have pols that want to make as much gain or minimize political loss.  The worst thing is that the people follow.  Trump talks like such a child, but has seemed to give license to other children as they all are name calling embarrassments.  All self serving.

We seem to yell disparaging remarks at people that don't act like our particular political persuasion says they should.  Like brainless drones.

And, its an election year.  I can't find many pols I respect.  Trump? Cuomo?  Pelosi?  Give me a break.  Biden is lucky not to have any responsibilities at the moment.   When you ask, "which governor to you think handled it well", the answers and reasoning are astounding.

Screwed we are.

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Magical masks are still not stopping COVID-19.  Hong Kong is experiencing a uptick new cases.  Did they stop wearing masks?  No?  Why then is this happening?  Spin away folks, it's what you do best.  Masks are just one small defensive measure.  There are so many, many ,many layers to this issue, mostly being political and about profits, but sure let's keep this about a singular issue, mask wearing.   This is being exposed more by the day.  At some point the MSM won't be able to keep a lid on it anymore.

New Uptick in Hong Kong as Fear of Third Wave

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145 new cases in a city of 7.5 million people would barely even register as background noise in the US.  That article just illustrates how much more seriously a place like Hong Kong is taking this than we are here in Trumpland.  HK is one of the most densely populated cities on the planet and it's impossible to prevent all transmission in a place like that no matter what you do.

Nobody said that masks are magic, nobody said that they stop 100% of infections, quit making poo up and projecting.  You're the only one spinning here.  Why are you so damn triggered by a piece of cloth.

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For reference Miami-Dade county has about 2.7 million people and reported almost 3000 new cases yesterday.  Using a city as dense as Hong Kong and saying that it's proof that masks don't help because they recorded a "spike" of 145 cases makes the exact opposite point you think it does.

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Headline population density of about 6,800 people/km2 does not reflect true densities since only 6.9% of land is residential, the residential average population density calculates closer to a highly cramped 100,000/km2.

100,000 people per square kilometer and you're busting a nut and throwing a parade for your big brain over 145 new cases in a day.

It's also entirely possible that they're experiencing their second wave now, which is something that everyone said was going to happen anyway.  We're still rolling along in wave 1 here.

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30 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

145 new cases in a city of 7.5 million people would barely even register as background noise in the US.  That article just illustrates how much more seriously a place like Hong Kong is taking this than we are here in Trumpland.  HK is one of the most densely populated cities on the planet and it's impossible to prevent all transmission in a place like that no matter what you do.

Nobody said that masks are magic, nobody said that they stop 100% of infections, quit making poo up and projecting.  You're the only one spinning here.  Why are you so damn triggered by a piece of cloth.

It's newly resurfaced...for a THIRD time, dude. It needs time to spread.  They wear masks, have worn masks and will continue to wear masks.  It hasn't gone away.  Again, an attempt to keep this singular, divisive issue and ignore the big picture.  Follow the shiny object and not look any deeper.  Masks HELP, but that's not the end all.  So we can go back and forth all day, but I already know the deal.  

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3 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

For reference Miami-Dade county has about 2.7 million people and reported almost 3000 new cases yesterday.  Using a city as dense as Hong Kong and saying that it's proof that masks don't help because they recorded a "spike" of 145 cases makes the exact opposite point you think it does.

It's also entirely possible that they're experiencing their second wave now, which is something that everyone said was going to happen anyway.  We're still rolling along in wave 1 here.

Does Miami-Dade not have a mask mandate?  I will look, but going off memory, I thought they one in place.  Shiny object continued.

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