Falcons angling for Chase Young

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I just had to look up who the Browns got with those picks. Here's the list.

NT Phil Taylor

WR Greg Little

RB Owen Marecic

QB Brandon Weeden

And the final pick was used to trade up to the #3 spot where they took RB Trent Richardson.

Wow...

Now we know how they stayed consistently terrible for so long.  That should have been what the Hershel Walker trade was for the Cowboys---but no. The mistake on the lake

[Cpt slay a ho]

I can’t see how some are laughing at the Julio Jones trade, in every scenario that trade happens 100/100 times, they ended up with a hof and arguable the best WR this decade.

falcons trading up for young makes sense since edge rusher has been there Achilles heel since John Abraham left. They are in win now mode due to Ryan and julio’s contract, Hell them trading up for Derrick brown or Simmons might be a nightmare, brown and Grady isn’t something I want to see 

[*FreeFua*]

I do wonder if the Falcons pivot towards trying to move up in front of us for Brown now

[My Goodness My Guinness]

51 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

If the Redskins stay put at #2 to take a defensive end and ride with Haskins, it's going to completely justify Rivera's departure. That's organizational suicide.

I mean, Young would be the most talented DE Rivera has had as a coach so I mean it makes sense. 

And yes Peppers is one of the best of all time but he was also what 36 when he came back home?

[theinstrumental]

7 minutes ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

I mean, Young would be the most talented DE Rivera has had as a coach so I mean it makes sense. 

And yes Peppers is one of the best of all time but he was also what 36 when he came back home?

Yeah, but they need a quarterback, they're in the position to get one, and they're going to talk themselves out of it because they took Haskins last year. Haskins sucks, though, so they're going to take Young and he's going to be wasted on a bad team. And even if they wanted to build a roster that could compete in a few years once Haskins is done "developing," they've got enough holes on the roster that they'd still be better off taking all of Atlanta's picks and having a bunch of bites at the apple over the new few years. Atlanta can plausibly say that they're one piece away. Washington's just dumb.

[CPF4LIFE]

To be honest i wouldn't be too disappointed if we traded up for young lol. I would love to pair him with Burns. That would be something to see on sundays. 

[LinvilleGorge]

It took the Falcons years to recover from that huge trade up to get Julio. They ended up getting a great player out of it, but they paid a heavy price for it in the short-term. I'd be okay with that scenario repeating itself.

[trueblade]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I just had to look up who the Browns got with those picks. Here's the list.

NT Phil Taylor

WR Greg Little

RB Owen Marecic

QB Brandon Weeden

And the final pick was used to trade up to the #3 spot where they took RB Trent Richardson.

Wow...

If they were better at drafting this could be at least Cameron Jordan (2 picks after Taylor), and Randall Cobb (5 picks after LIttle). Maybe Bilal Powell (1 pick after Marecic), You could say Russel Wilson instead of Weeden, but that' s bit too much hindsight. Russ went in the 3rd round. The next QB off the board was Osweiler, so Cleveland was probably out of luck anyway. Similar idea with the #3 the following year. The top 7 that year was pretty bad, they probably weren't getting a much. 

[My Goodness My Guinness]

38 minutes ago, theinstrumental said:

Yeah, but they need a quarterback, they're in the position to get one, and they're going to talk themselves out of it because they took Haskins last year. Haskins sucks, though, so they're going to take Young and he's going to be wasted on a bad team. And even if they wanted to build a roster that could compete in a few years once Haskins is done "developing," they've got enough holes on the roster that they'd still be better off taking all of Atlanta's picks and having a bunch of bites at the apple over the new few years. Atlanta can plausibly say that they're one piece away. Washington's just dumb.

Judging a qb off their rookie year performance is hilarious. Try and guess the qb with these rookie stats and tell me if they would be a good qb or not

[Borat]

2 hours ago, AU-panther said:

That doesn't mean that trading down was the wrong play, it means they are terrible at drafting.  

Statistically speaking, most studies I've seen, show that trading down according to the trade value chart benifits the person trading down.

If I'm not mistaken didnt Jimmy Johnson have alot of input on the creatation of that chart, and he was one to trade down often.

Can tradign down not work?  of course.  Can a trade up work? of course

Buts its like blackjack, certain plays have a higher % chance of winning and overtime those odds show up.

Maybe the rest of their line will be terrible since they gave up so many assets.  Either way you can't look at it like that, moves like that don't happen in a vacuum.

 

Trading down is almost always a better play in terms of EV (Browns drafting incompetence notwithstanding). But the Falcons thought they'd spotted a singular talent that'd buck that trend and, fortunately for them in this instance, they were right. I think most teams would give 2 mid 20s and a second for a decade+ of HOF WR play. Not really a fan of a move to get Chase Young, since 1) DEs are a little harder to vet and 2) the whole negative EV thing (who says lightning will strike twice), as we need help at more positions than just DE. 

[theinstrumental]

13 minutes ago, My Goodness My Guinness said:

Judging a qb off their rookie year performance is hilarious. Try and guess the qb with these rookie stats and tell me if they would be a good qb or not

The game's come a long way since 1998 Peyton Manning. It's much, much easier for quarterbacks now. Offenses incorporate more stuff from college, defenses are more spread out, reads are simpler. Haskins was outperformed by three other rookie quarterbacks last year. Hell, one was a sixth rounder. Arizona got it right when they cut bait on Rosen. There's no reason to stick with a quarterback if you've got a better option.

[Borat]

34 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It took the Falcons years to recover from that huge trade up to get Julio. They ended up getting a great player out of it, but they paid a heavy price for it in the short-term. I'd be okay with that scenario repeating itself.

I'd argue that decline had a lot more to do with a bunch of the '08'-'12 vets aging out (Turner, Gonzalez, etc.) than having Julio instead of [1st round DT and 1st round OL] and the '09'-'13 drafts sucking as a whole:

'09: Glass knee Peria Jerry in 1st, WIlliam Moore in 2nd only other serviceable player

'10: Average Weatherspoon at 19, rotational Corey Peters in 3rd, rest crappy OL

'11: Julio! Akeem Dent and Jacquizz fringe starters, but only due to aforementioned vet exodus. 

'12: Totally wasted draft. Konz in 2nd sucked, Holmes in 3rd was arguably worse, and no one else 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Borat said:

I'd argue that decline had a lot more to do with a bunch of the '08'-'12 vets aging out (Turner, Gonzalez, etc.) than having Julio instead of [1st round DT and 1st round OL] and the '09'-'13 drafts sucking as a whole:

'09: Glass knee Peria Jerry in 1st, WIlliam Moore in 2nd only other serviceable player

'10: Average Weatherspoon at 19, rotational Corey Peters in 3rd, rest crappy OL

'11: Julio! Akeem Dent and Jacquizz fringe starters, but only due to aforementioned vet exodus. 

'12: Totally wasted draft. Konz in 2nd sucked, Holmes in 3rd was arguably worse, and no one else 

But all that draft capital they had to give up could've really helped them. When you give up a ton of capital to address one weakness, it's highly likely that it'll contribute to other weaknesses elsewhere.

[micnificent28]

3 hours ago, rippadonn said:

We've only had THAT guy maybe four times in franchise history, #90,#89,#1,#59.

Atlanta having sacrificed to get THAT guy in the past is willing to go all out and get THAT guy because they have to because they have New Orleans in their division.

Trying to win. Admirable. Trying to lose sucks.

You mean trying not to lose. This franchise has been know for trying to minimize risk at the cost of trying to win and leading us to not really having that dude as you say.