REPORT: Russell Okung isn't retiring.........(locked)

[thefuzz]

15 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Honestly, the reason I hate this trade so much is it is just a reminder of what we could have had instead of Little. Hurney had a 1st round grade on him and we still had to get Okung. We had to rely on 2 guys off major injury in Williams and Paradis, and skipped drafting our center for the future in McCoy and could have taken Deiter with our 3rd if we wanted a guard. It's not even like this stuff was hard to predict. It's just disappointing. Okung didn't get a multi-year which is good, but the fact we had to get him at all just makes me question Hurney's player valuation even more. 

His player evaluation is bad, no doubt, but there are worse out there...what he can't do if figure out how to build a team.  Teambuilding and long term outlook are NOT his strong suits.

[stbugs]

19 hours ago, thefuzz said:

His player evaluation is bad, no doubt, but there are worse out there...what he can't do if figure out how to build a team.  Teambuilding and long term outlook are NOT his strong suits.

Yep. Everyone and their mother has us at the bottom. Tampa picked up Tom Brady, NO has been a playoff team for years and we can’t seem to beat the Falcons but let’s act like we can and sign a bunch of OL to one year deals, not use last year’s one year deals to get comp picks, spend a ton on a bridge QB, sign a ton of WR FAs in the best WR draft ever or as good as OBJ’s year and not cut a DT making top money with 3 sacks in 2 years.

We let a ton of FAs walk making it seem like we are rebuilding and then we decide we’ll make some moves looking like we are going for it now. It makes no sense.

I mean 2020 couldn’t have been more tailor made for rebuilding hard.

[Toomers]

On 8/10/2020 at 2:57 PM, MasterAwesome said:

Only Toomers can apply this logic discriminately without realizing the ironic indictment he’s making on Trai Turner. Ya know...the “5-time Pro Bowler” as he made sure to emphasize!

WTH are you talking about? Comparing a player who has made 5 straight Pro Bowls to a player who has made two in ten seasons. And not for 3 years. So what’s the issue? What certain word are you going to focus on to deflect from the actual football discussion that horrifies the delusional “optimistic” crowd. 
 

    You got something to discuss, let’s do it. You did this whining about negativity all last summer. How did that work out? Seems like the negative thoughts were the correct thoughts. 
 

   Maybe y’all can get Jeremy to open a “Sunshine and Puppies” forum. Where every word is a glowing review of everything. No need for the truth. 

[Moo Daeng]

3 hours ago, stbugs said:

Yep. Everyone and their mother has us at the bottom. Tampa picked up Tom Brady, NO has been a playoff team for years and we can’t seem to beat the Falcons but let’s act like we can and sign a bunch of OL to one year deals, not use last year’s one year deals to get comp picks, spend a ton on a bridge QB, sign a ton of WR FAs in the best WR draft ever or as good as OBJ’s year and not cut a DT making top money with 3 sacks in 2 years.

We let a ton of FAs walk making it seem like we are rebuilding and then we decide we’ll make some moves looking like we are going for it now. It makes no sense.

I mean 2020 couldn’t have been more tailor made for rebuilding hard.

How can you look at the moves we made and conclude it looks like we are going for it now?  Are you tallying about the Panthers? Come back to reality. We let overpaid old and about to retire players go and brought in some stop gaps.  You have to actually field a team you know.

[thefuzz]

23 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

How can you look at the moves we made and conclude it looks like we are going for it now?  Are you tallying about the Panthers? Come back to reality. We let overpaid old and about to retire players go and brought in some stop gaps.  You have to actually field a team you know.

Don't pick up Teddy, let Hurney Hire Grier do the job.

Don't pick up Anderson, just burns up a conditional pick, and we don't need him.

Trade Trai for picks, not an injury prone, old, overpaid LT.

Force Hurney Hire Little to be the man he was supposed to be when we traded up to get him.

Don't overpay an off ball LB, especially when the new coach isn't in the building yet.

Pay Moton and Bradberry, our best defender, and our best offensive lineman, not Teddy, Anderson, and KK.

 

 

[Moo Daeng]

11 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

Don't pick up Teddy, let Hurney Hire Grier do the job.

Don't pick up Anderson, just burns up a conditional pick, and we don't need him.

Trade Trai for picks, not an injury prone, old, overpaid LT.

Force Hurney Hire Little to be the man he was supposed to be when we traded up to get him.

Don't overpay an off ball LB, especially when the new coach isn't in the building yet.

Pay Moton and Bradberry, our best defender, and our best offensive lineman, not Teddy, Anderson, and KK.

 

 

If you are lobbying for a full fledged tank I've got no argument for you. That's something only a small portion of fans promote. It's not a real thing.

The previous poster said it looked like we were going for it. That's just kinda crazy to suggest. A full on tank is something that likely kills a lot of support for this team.

[Waldo]

On 8/11/2020 at 9:18 PM, SmokinwithWilly said:

Honestly, the reason I hate this trade so much is it is just a reminder of what we could have had instead of Little. Hurney had a 1st round grade on him and we still had to get Okung. We had to rely on 2 guys off major injury in Williams and Paradis, and skipped drafting our center for the future in McCoy and could have taken Deiter with our 3rd if we wanted a guard. It's not even like this stuff was hard to predict. It's just disappointing. Okung didn't get a multi-year which is good, but the fact we had to get him at all just makes me question Hurney's player valuation even more. 

There are reasons why we have been a constantly mediocre and moves like drafting Little and trading a starter for a replacement for Little are great examples of that mediocrity. Could be worse but sure as hell isn't good. The Oline situation is degrading each year and none of these moves have yet to show a glimmer of long term hope outside of homerisms. We will see what happens next and where the chips fall. I still don't know what the coaches really bring to the table and all of my hope resides in that basket at the moment. 

[stbugs]

1 hour ago, Moo Daeng said:

If you are lobbying for a full fledged tank I've got no argument for you. That's something only a small portion of fans promote. It's not a real thing.

The previous poster said it looked like we were going for it. That's just kinda crazy to suggest. A full on tank is something that likely kills a lot of support for this team.

I wanted a full fledged tank. I think it was @RoaringRiot that said there were folks on the team that did think we could compete. We appear to be spending $100M in cap space in the next two years on Okung, Short, Anderson and Teddy. That’s 25% of the total cap for 2020 and 2021. It’s not a trace amount and it seems like we spent close to what we lost. It’s not like we tried to keep good company picks or got picks for Turner or saved cap for when we are ready to compete so I can’t see how we aren’t trying to be competitive.

If going 1-15 with a gimme no Brees win in the second halves of the last two seasons didn’t kill support, a full rebuild knowing we could get a stud QB would keep the rest of us around. The whole spend $100M on mediocrity because we’d lose support is silly. Not having a QB of the future to be hopeful about after losing Cam is what would erode support. Continuing to be 5-11 to 8-8 every year erodes support. Having a plan to go full rebuild doesn’t. We’ve been through two before and both times it led to our best two seasons in a few years.

[Peon Awesome]

4 hours ago, Toomers said:

WTH are you talking about? Comparing a player who has made 5 straight Pro Bowls to a player who has made two in ten seasons. And not for 3 years. So what’s the issue? What certain word are you going to focus on to deflect from the actual football discussion that horrifies the delusional “optimistic” crowd. 
 

    You got something to discuss, let’s do it. You did this whining about negativity all last summer. How did that work out? Seems like the negative thoughts were the correct thoughts. 
 

   Maybe y’all can get Jeremy to open a “Sunshine and Puppies” forum. Where every word is a glowing review of everything. No need for the truth. 

You seem to have misunderstood his post. On one hand you explain that Turner as a 26 year old 5 time pro bowler has value. Then you say the Chargers would only have traded Okung if he's injured and washed up. So they wouldn't trade a valuable player to get another valuable player? Which is it? Turner has value and thus demands value back (e.g Okung) or the Okung-Turner trade was a swap of garbage players? That's his point. He wasn't actually discussing his own opinion about the trade but commenting how that specific assessment of it by you was inconsistent. 

[Basbear]

5 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Don't pick up Teddy, let Hurney Hire Grier do the job.

Don't pick up Anderson, just burns up a conditional pick, and we don't need him.

Trade Trai for picks, not an injury prone, old, overpaid LT.

Force Hurney Hire Little to be the man he was supposed to be when we traded up to get him.

Don't overpay an off ball LB, especially when the new coach isn't in the building yet.

Pay Moton and Bradberry, our best defender, and our best offensive lineman, not Teddy, Anderson, and KK.

 

 

Marty is not getting results and keeps failing. I thought the 2019 off-season was his best ever, but the end result proved that completely wrong. Its difficult to take Rhule at his word, but him saying he wouldnt have a different GM. Rhule has the power and wants Marty around. I still feel once Rhule gets a handle on GM duuties, marty will be fired or retire. Each move this pass off-season had unclear motives(besides the draft). 

[raleigh-panther]

5 hours ago, Waldo said:

There are reasons why we have been a constantly mediocre and moves like drafting Little and trading a starter for a replacement for Little are great examples of that mediocrity. Could be worse but sure as hell isn't good. The Oline situation is degrading each year and none of these moves have yet to show a glimmer of long term hope outside of homerisms. We will see what happens next and where the chips fall. I still don't know what the coaches really bring to the table and all of my hope resides in that basket at the moment. 

And who has been here the longest for that mediocrity...Hurney.  Twice

[Snake]

Hurndog gonna hurney. What a joke of a GM. If 2020 was a GM its name would be marty Hurney.

[SmokinwithWilly]

16 hours ago, Basbear said:

Marty is not getting results and keeps failing. I thought the 2019 off-season was his best ever, but the end result proved that completely wrong. Its difficult to take Rhule at his word, but him saying he wouldnt have a different GM. Rhule has the power and wants Marty around. I still feel once Rhule gets a handle on GM duuties, marty will be fired or retire. Each move this pass off-season had unclear motives(besides the draft). 

Its possible Rhule wants to keep Hurney because he's a yes man. 

[Moo Daeng]

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