You need to start wondering what you'd give up to get Lawrence

[Rags]

1 minute ago, Shotgun said:

Got it so you were comparing the #1 pick to every other pick in the entire draft. Now compare the #1 pick to any other single pick in the draft.

I'm not...comparing picks? I'm saying that TL isn't the only way to achieve sucess.

I'm not saying TL won't make us better. Even when Teddy was considered a #1 guy TL would still trump him easily. No contest. 

I'm saying there's more than one way to build a team.

[Panthercougar68]

Just now, nctarheelreincarnated said:

I'm not a Newman guy. It doesn't damn us, but it sure doesn't help us try to get away from this mediocrity we were stuck in.

Never the less, if we don't get Fields, Lawrence, or even Lance, I would just roll with shitty Teddy for another year and get Howell or maybe Spencer Rattler if OU can get their heads out of their asses. 

Funny thing is I have seen a lot of 2022 drafts with us selecting Howell/Rattler...early but not out of the picture.

[Shocker]

Even of we end up with #1 and pick Lawrence there are no guarantees he will be great in the NFL.  

[nctarheelreincarnated]

10 minutes ago, Rags said:

..Peyton had all of that. By the time of his second Super Bowl with the Colts he didn't need it as much. But when he first came into the league, and when he won in 07, he had a great Oline hesded by Jeff Saturday (with Dario Gleen at blindside) Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark as receiving targets, and Robert Mathis and Dwight Freeny at ends heading that defense.

TL or any elite QB you're always gonna have to team build. Always. Cam had Greg, Stew and that Defense. Mahomes has a vertical offense that scares defenses. Brady has Belichick scheming masterful gameplans to give him talented players to help him win. TL will be no different.

I would also debate that Payton made them great receivers to be fair. Reggie Wayne was rather meh after he left the Colts. And I don't think the Colts O-Line was "great" per say. Good yes, great. No Troy Aikman had a great line, so does Dake in Dallas. 

[jfra78]

Last time you will ever see this

 

[TheRumGone]

 

[Rags]

1 minute ago, nctarheelreincarnated said:

I'm not a Newman guy. It doesn't damn us, but it sure doesn't help us try to get away from this mediocrity we were stuck in.

Never the less, if we don't get Fields, Lawrence, or even Lance, I would just roll with shitty Teddy for another year and get Howell or maybe Spencer Rattler if OU can get their heads out of their asses. 

I don't see why we couldn't take a guy like Newman and sit him a year behind Teddy and give Newman and redshirt year. Even if his ceiling is more mobile Flacco (which is my comp. Def weaker arm tho but not by ton.) As long as we build well on offense and defense we can win with that.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

1 minute ago, Panthercougar68 said:

Funny thing is I have seen a lot of 2022 drafts with us selecting Howell/Rattler...early but not out of the picture.

There ya go. 

[Smithers]

2 minutes ago, TrevorLaurenceTime22 said:

I'm sure we have the GOAT coach and the GOAT qb too.... 

Granted the Bucs now have the GOAT QB.

Well Of course they do.  After all he was drafted #1 after the Pats tanked for him for future success.    

[nctarheelreincarnated]

Just now, Rags said:

I don't see why we couldn't take a guy like Newman and sit him a year behind Teddy and give Newman and redshirt year. Even if his ceiling is more mobile Flacco (which is my comp. Def weaker arm tho but not by ton.) As long as we build well on offense and defense we can win with that.

Yeah, I just don't see his ceiling that high. I would've loved to of seen what he could do at Georgia this year. He's not that accurate either. Meh. 

[Varking]

We have three winnable games this year. 3-13 should be top 5. We take Lawrence, Fields, Sewell, Greg R from Miami if they are available in that order and if not we can move back. 

[Shocker]

2 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

 

I mean this guy does have some plays that look eerily like Mahomes.  Arm is there for sure.

[nctarheelreincarnated]

4 minutes ago, Rags said:

I'm not...comparing picks? I'm saying that TL isn't the only way to achieve sucess.

I'm not saying TL won't make us better. Even when Teddy was considered a #1 guy TL would still trump him easily. No contest. 

I'm saying there's more than one way to build a team.

If we want to get technical, I believe we could still be in the hunt for Fields. So, if we somehow Draft Fields, I would want to sit him for a year. Like you stated with Newman. Shrugs. 

[stbugs]

2 minutes ago, Rags said:

just gonna focus on this because the rest is "QB IS THE MOST IMPORTANT POSITION" thing and everyone knows that. But that doesn't mean it isn't over valued. 

My argument here is that's 4 rings over 54 Super bowls won by those first overall picks. 6 if you count Elis.

Yes QB is the most important position. Yes Trevor is the best QB since Luck (though I think a healthy Tua is up there too.) and yes if we're picking #1 overall we take him.

But we're not damned to mediocrity if we don't take him. 

4 or 6? Let’s really look.

Namath was actually the 1st overall pick by the Jets in the AFL but that won’t count by you. Staubach would have been the top pick as well but doesn’t count because he went into the service. Steve Young absolutely would have been the top pick but the USFL convinced him to sign with them for a record deal.

That’s 4 of the 54 that won’t technically count but were the top QBs to come out of college with funky circumstances.

Then, let’s get into the easy ones you missed out of 54.

Bradshaw won 4

Aikman won 3

Eli won 2

Elway won 2

Peyton won 2

Plunkett won 2

By my count if you want to include all 54, you’ve got 15 100% guaranteed #1 overall SB wins and then by my count 19 SB wins including the technicalities.

Widen it up to top 18 picks and you add in 9 more SB winners. There’s also another Phil Simms and Carson Wentz who went a combined 22-5 to put their teams into a position before getting hurt.

If you felt like arguing you could say 15 locks and for top 18 picks that 30 SB wins out of 54. Out of the other 24, our every decade exceptions have 13 wins (included Starr as the pre Montana one). That leaves 11 SB wins out of 54 for the rest.

If you want to win a SB, based on total QB selected in the drafts, your best chance to win a SB is:

#1 overall, then top 18 QB, then probably first/early 2nd (Brees, Favre, Rodgers, Stabler), then building a complete team that a game manager can take to the SB and last making magic and getting that once a decade guy.