"Teddy will never be good enough" crowd

[Icege]

54 minutes ago, Varking said:

Stew never had a bad take? 

He has a more credentialed take than randoms on a message board.

[Varking]

3 hours ago, Icege said:

He has a more credentialed take than randoms on a message board.

MJ was the best basketball player ever and he’s been awful in all aspects of assessing talent since he stopped. Larry Bird was awful after his playing days were over. Lots of former great players in the NFL have been bad at their post playing days. On the flip side, plenty of guys who were not great during playing have been better than those guys. 
 

Being a good running back in the NFL doesn’t mean you’re a great judge of talent. If he was he would never have signed to play with the Giants once he left here. 

[Moo Daeng]

It's political. Those who trashed him from the get go will never let evidence change their minds.  They are entrenched. They will go after JStew like a Proud Boy going after John McCain.

[Varking]

9 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

It's political. Those who trashed him from the get go will never let evidence change their minds.  They are entrenched. They will go after JStew like a Proud Boy going after John McCain.

You are better than this take. 

[SizzleBuzz]

3 hours ago, Varking said:

MJ was the best basketball player ever and he’s been awful in all aspects of assessing talent since he stopped.

Larry Bird was awful after his playing days were over.

You nailed it on Mike --- the only former player who destroyed more value when put into a management role is Isiah Thomas.

Larry Bird has excelled in every NBA job he's ever taken on and is the only man in the history of the NBA to accomplish the following trifecta:

NBA MVP (3...1984 > 1986) --- NBA Coach of the Year (1998) --- NBA Executive of the Year (2012).

Under his leadership the Pacers have been very productive over a long period of time. 

From 2003 to 2017 (14 seasons) under his tenure the Pacers made the playoffs 9-times and competed in 17-playoffs series and 100-playoff games.  All this while operating in a market smaller than Charlotte.

Coincidentally Mike Jordan has been at the helm of the Bobcats for 14 years, 3-times in playoffs, 3 first-round losses, 15 total playoff games. 

Many folks don't remember this but when the NBA was in the process of placing a replacement franchise in Charlotte the beauty pageant came down to a syndicate led by one Larry Bird...and another headed up by...wait for it...Bobcat Johnson.

To add insult to injury for Charlotte the commissioner Falk doubled down on that mistake when he reassigned the team away from Bobcat Johnson to the current owner...  (dim light at the end of the tunnel, the next owners have wedged a foot in the door)

 

 

[PantherKyle]

15 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not part of the "Teddy will never be good enough" crowd, or at least I don't think I am. Others may put me there.

I suppose I'd consider myself part of the "Teddy probably won't ever be a franchise QB but is pretty good and might be better than I thought" crowd if that's a thing.

Maybe it's just me (I'm my own crowd).

This is a great answer. I agree.

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

You nailed it on Mike --- the only former player who destroyed more value when put into a management role is Isiah Thomas.

Larry Bird has excelled in every NBA job he's ever taken on and is the only man in the history of the NBA to accomplish the following trifecta:

NBA MVP (3...1984 > 1986) --- NBA Coach of the Year (1998) --- NBA Executive of the Year (2012).

Under his leadership the Pacers have been very productive over a long period of time. 

From 2003 to 2017 (14 seasons) under his tenure the Pacers made the playoffs 9-times and competed in 17-playoffs series and 100-playoff games.  All this while operating in a market smaller than Charlotte.

Coincidentally Mike Jordan has been at the helm of the Bobcats for 14 years, 3-times in playoffs, 3 first-round losses, 15 total playoff games. 

Many folks don't remember this but when the NBA was in the process of placing a replacement franchise in Charlotte the beauty pageant came down to a syndicate led by one Larry Bird...and another headed up by...wait for it...Bobcat Johnson.

To add insult to injury for Charlotte the commissioner Falk doubled down on that mistake when he reassigned the team away from Bobcat Johnson to the current owner...  (dim light at the end of the tunnel, the next owners have wedged a foot in the door)

 

 

John Elway is pretty successful at destroying a franchise. His talent evaluation is Jordan-esque.

[mrcompletely11]

Teddy is doing what he is supposed to do.  I would imagine at some point in the near future Brady is going to want to really open the throttle and push push push the ball.  So far Teddy hasnt really shown me he can get aggressive down field.  He tried on Sunday and should have been 2 picks.  I really hope we get a project in here that brady likes to learn the system and learn from Teddy.

 

But the big thing I have against teddy long term is his contract and the modern NFL.  If the team thinks he is the long term answer then we will be giving him a huge deal probably after next season and he will be pushing 30.  In todays NFL the template for a well rounded team is an above average qb on a rookie deal with a roster filled out top to bottom with guys that can play with few holes.  See Buffalo, KC, Balt, etc. 

 

My gut says I would bet just about anything we pick up a qb in one of the first couple of rounds to try and develop for the future.  Seems like its another deep draft at both qb and oline so hopefully we can get some help

[Icege]

10 hours ago, Varking said:

MJ was the best basketball player ever and he’s been awful in all aspects of assessing talent since he stopped. Larry Bird was awful after his playing days were over. Lots of former great players in the NFL have been bad at their post playing days. On the flip side, plenty of guys who were not great during playing have been better than those guys. 
 

Being a good running back in the NFL doesn’t mean you’re a great judge of talent. If he was he would never have signed to play with the Giants once he left here. 

MJ is also a notorious gambler which has to be included when you look at his decision making process. Certainly, the best performers do not necessarily make the best teachers the same way that the best sales reps don't make the best business people.

That last paragraph is waaaaay out of pocket since at that stage in Stew's career he's looking for work more so than a talented team. Who else made offers to him? Don't sit here and try to misrepresent a situation to prove a point, because all that does it call into question your integrity.

That said, who is more of a subject matter expert: The person that is posting on a message board during bathroom breaks, or the person that earned millions of dollars in the sport?

[X-Clown]

On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2020 at 4:27 PM, Pantherxtreme said:

24 tds put him right at Cam Newton's best seasons here outside the outlier Super Bowl year. So what's wrong with those totals?

Unless you're making the argument that only passing TDs count, you're incorrect.

 

2011 - 35

2012 - 27

2013 - 30

2014 - 23 (14 games)

2015 - 45

2016 - 24

2017 - 28

2018 - 28 (14 games)

[SizzleBuzz]

8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

John Elway is pretty successful at destroying a franchise. His talent evaluation is Jordan-esque.

I was keeping it within the NBA.

That said, Broncos have played in 2 Super Bowls & won one with Elway at the helm.  And that said, they appear to be headed a 4th consecutive losing season --- even the Panthers have never dipped that low!

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, SizzleBuzz said:

I was keeping it within the NBA.

That said, Broncos have played in 2 Super Bowls & won one with Elway at the helm.  And that said, they appear to be headed a 4th consecutive losing season --- even the Panthers have never dipped that low!

Their decline has been directly related to Elway's vintage Browns QB carousel. He has paid obscene amounts of money(historic, actually) to terrible NFL QB's.

[Tinamedina]

On 10/6/2020 at 9:21 AM, panthers55 said:

That drive at the end of the third and beginning of the 4th to take 8 minutes off the clock and score 3 points was masterful. Much more than just a game manager. He made clutch third down plays and extended drives. He played very well yesterday. Give the man his due....

Okay, so he managed to play like an AVERAGE QB....but giving him props for doing what hes SUPPOSED to do??? That's some low standards. 

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, Tinamedina said:

Okay, so he managed to play like an AVERAGE QB....but giving him props for doing what hes SUPPOSED to do??? That's some low standards. 

If that is average I will take it all year. What would that be over the next 12 games? 24 passing TDs, 12 running TDs, another 3500 yards passing. 71 % accuracy. Scoring 30 points.   Yeah I could live with that low standard.