Trade rumor...Curtis to Giants for Engram

[*FreeFua*]

If you think that they’d trade for Engram only so Brady could use him as a blocker then there’s no helping you.

If we trade for Engram, Brady will use him like the weapon that he is. 

[Davidson Deac II]

It could make some sense.  CMC will fill part of Curtis's role when he comes back, and having a better pass catching tight end would help some.

[vorbis]

would Dave Gettleman rush to trade a former 1st round pick for a contract year WR who was "DNP - Knee" in his last game?

[pantherclaw]

Anyways, I'd prefer the team keeps Curtis, and get Thomas more involved. 

[*FreeFua*]

Just now, vorbis said:

would Dave Gettleman rush to trade a former 1st round pick for a contract year WR who was "DNP - Knee" in his last game?

David Gettleman is a terrible GM. I wouldn’t put anything past him.
 

I also think they like Kaden Smith and would like to save on Engram’s 5th year option. They’re also in dire need of a WR and Samuel is someone Jones can get the ball out to quickly 

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I worded it just fine. 

You're the one that made it into something it isn't.

The only question is, is it by design or by necessity? I recall Moss catching quite a few balls downfield for LSU last year. He averaged 12.1ypc.

[pantherclaw]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The only question is, is it by design or by necessity? I recall Moss catching quite a few balls downfield for LSU last year. He averaged 12.1ypc.

I like that question. 

The quote i referred to was an off season interview where he said blocking was paramount for our TEs. 

They are still expected to catch, but he just doesn't feature them like we use to. I haven't been keeping track, but how many 2 TE sets have you've been seeing? 

Obviously we have more speed in the receiving group, and I feel that is a big part of it. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, pantherclaw said:

I like that question. 

The quote i referred to was an off season interview where he said blocking was paramount for our TEs. 

They are still expected to catch, but he just doesn't feature them like we use to. I haven't been keeping track, but how many 2 TE sets have you've been seeing? 

Obviously we have more speed in the receiving group, and I feel that is a big part of it. 

I also have to wonder if that was by design or by necessity. I mean, when your #1 WR is Ted Ginn Jr. and you have Greg Olsen, you better be featuring the TE a lot in your passing game. LOL!

[Rags]

31 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Yes, we do.  Use them to block and for outlets. 

Less down the seems. 

Probably because neither is very good at it.

You make a very fair point but also this could just as easily be seen as "they suck" just as much as "we just use them as blockers"

[pantherclaw]

Disagree.  

[Rags]

7 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Disagree.  

Manhertz isn't even very good at the blocking thing and that's supposed to be his strength. 

He looks so out of place when the ball is in his hands.

And he's getting more playing time than Thomas.

I'm not saying we're gonna use TEs as 1k yard receivers but the two we have is questionable they could get to 500.

[AU-panther]

1 hour ago, t96 said:

Why would you factor in TEs? Upgrading to Engram from Thomas has no impact on our WR group. TEs aren't used in Brady's offense as pass catchers nearly as much as WR. Samuel has started every game except last game he was out and has played nearly 70% of snaps, not a whole lot less than Robby. Brady runs 3 WR sets so much that pass catching TE isn't really that important. #3 WR is definitely more important in his offense. Samuel shouldn't demand a whole lot, probably a shorter 1-2 year deal for pretty low money. What team would pay him much in FA or sign him long term? I can't see it. We have Moore on a rookie deal right now for 3 years and Robby's deal is an absolute bargain this year and next year. We should try to keep Samuel. If another team does decide to open their wallet for him for some reason, then fine let him go. But that seems pretty unlikely.

I would factor it because it has an impact on who our QB throws to...

DJ/Robby/Curtis/Thomas

or 

DJ/Robby/Roberts/Engram

Which would you prefer? 

I'm not saying one is right or wrong but people are assuming a lot in that we wouldn't throw to the TE, maybe that's because we don't have a good pass catching TE.  Also it is entirely possible to throw to a TE with a 3 WR set, they aren't mutually exclusive.

Also if he ends the year with 40-50 catches he might end up expecting more money then they are willing to pay a WR3 and what the other WRs make is largely irrelevant, I've never really understood that argument.  You don't get salary cap per position group, its per team, and teams really don't have that many larger contracts on a team at any given time.  They might not want to use one on a third receiver.

Go look up how many $5m cap hits there are on any team and you will see why they might in fact be willing to trade him.

With all of that being said I personally think he has been underused in his time here and he might actually flourish somewhere else.

 

 

 

[tiger7_88]

Would be a good trade for the Panthers, but not so good for the Giants.

[Soul Rebel]

Not sure about the rumor, but hypothetically saying there's fire where there's smoke, I would do it. 

The amount of money Samuel will get in FA is a lot more than the $6M Engram makes in 2021. It gives us a receiving weapon for a year plus to evaluate if he is part of the young core moving forward. He also has an out in his contract that does not carry a cap hit, so no dead money if we cut him post-6/1 in '21.

I like Samuel, but I'd prefer giving money to Moton and Douglas, and try to find a MLB in FA before giving Samuel that money. If Moncrief could get almost $10M on a one-year deal.... I could certainly see Samuel getting approaching that.