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Will Bridgewater complete a single game winning drive in the 4th quarter this season?


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It’s amazing how there seems to be a chance to win or tie the game in every single loss this season, and in every single loss this team finds new and mind numbing ways to fail. Those failures seem to center around QB Teddy Bridgewater. 

So sound off here, will Teddy prove us wrong and actually go and complete a game winning drive in the 4th quarter this season? And what does it mean if he doesn’t?

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1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

With all the opportunities we're getting surely someone will eventually break off a big play or something. Teddy probably isn't winning us any games. That's just not who he is as a QB.

I don't disagree . . . but isn't that something you should want in a QB?  A guy who can win you some games when you're close in the 4th?

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6 minutes ago, hepcat said:

It’s amazing how there seems to be a chance to win or tie the game in every single loss this season, and in every single loss this team finds new and mind numbing ways to fail. Those failures seem to center around QB Teddy Bridgewater. 

So sound off here, will Teddy prove us wrong and actually go and complete a game winning drive in the 4th quarter this season? And what does it mean if he doesn’t?

At some point I'm sure Teddy will have a game winning drive, but he isn't showing a propensity for being clutch.  Not a good luck for a long term guy to build around.  So, we probably go in another direction longer-term.

But the offense was good enough to win today - and many days - with slightly better play from the defense.

I don't understand how we can't force punts.

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11 minutes ago, BrianS said:

I don't disagree . . . but isn't that something you should want in a QB?  A guy who can win you some games when you're close in the 4th?

Oh, it's absolutely something you should want. I think Teddy is the QB for right now. I don't think Teddy is the long-term plan. His contract screams stop gap.

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15 minutes ago, Varking said:

I still think we can package Teddy and our first for a top QB pick. 

What team picking ahead of us in the draft would want Teddy? I think we definitely grab one of the top 4 QBs even if we have to trade more draft capital to get him, but I don't think that QB will start his rookie year. Teddy will play the Alex Smith role, and he's a great option for that.

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Guys, this is the same issue the 2013 and 2014 Panthers had with Cam... Young teams have to LEARN how to win the close one's. How many close games did the Panthers lose in those early years with Cam, then in 2015 it all came together and they figured it out. 

It's all about being a young inexperienced team... Everyone want's instant gratification these days. Sure... it's frustrating to lose close games, really today though they fell behind by 9 points with not a lot of time left. Coming back from that was asking a lot against the super bowl champs at THEIR house. 

I do not think this team was expected to be very good this year yet... Give them some time, they will figure it out.

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5 minutes ago, t96 said:

What team picking ahead of us in the draft would want Teddy? I think we definitely grab one of the top 4 QBs even if we have to trade more draft capital to get him, but I don't think that QB will start his rookie year. Teddy will play the Alex Smith role, and he's a great option for that.

Giants have been really dumb lately. I’d call them. 

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5 minutes ago, Dragoon11 said:

Guys, this is the same issue the 2013 and 2014 Panthers had with Cam... Young teams have to LEARN how to win the close one's. How many close games did the Panthers lose in those early years with Cam, then in 2015 it all came together and they figured it out. 

It's all about being a young inexperienced team... Everyone want's instant gratification these days. Sure... it's frustrating to lose close games, really today though they fell behind by 9 points with not a lot of time left. Coming back from that was asking a lot against the super bowl champs at THEIR house. 

I do not think this team was expected to be very good this year yet... Give them some time, they will figure it out.

Saying we were down 9 late and asking for a miracle comeback ignores the fact we were up by more than that early. 

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8 minutes ago, Dragoon11 said:

Guys, this is the same issue the 2013 and 2014 Panthers had with Cam... Young teams have to LEARN how to win the close one's. How many close games did the Panthers lose in those early years with Cam, then in 2015 it all came together and they figured it out. 

It's all about being a young inexperienced team... Everyone want's instant gratification these days. Sure... it's frustrating to lose close games, really today though they fell behind by 9 points with not a lot of time left. Coming back from that was asking a lot against the super bowl champs at THEIR house. 

I do not think this team was expected to be very good this year yet... Give them some time, they will figure it out.

2013 we lost like 2 close games early in the year and then won 11 of 12 to close out the season...  2014 was a disaster and had nothing to do with learning how to win close games. 

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