Projected cap space if cap stays at $195 mill for 2021.

[TheCasillas]

40 minutes ago, stbugs said:

If you are being sarcastic oh well, but I’ll give you my real thoughts. I’d still be looking longer term like I wanted this off-season. I wouldn’t change that approach due to cap rollover. I assume that if they are easing into the salary cap drop then 2022/2023 might go up less than they would have. That means the net total cap for 2021-2023 is unchanged and we shouldn’t be scraping the ceiling in 2021. I’d finally get rid of Short, get rid Weatherly and if we draft a QB we love we could conceivably dump Teddy. That’s another $16.5 to $24.5M cap saved that could rollover to 2022 or go to extensions. It’s up to the coaches on Teddy. Little would save us $1.5M next year. Boston doesn’t get us anything in 2021, but he’d be $5M in savings in 2022. Shaq is an enigma in that he could save us cap but we have no one to replace him. That’s it for big changes. Now you have $36M in 2021 cap space (maybe $41M with the $5M that would roll over). Add in another $19M for the cap at $195M and you have about $60M in space. I’d franchise Moton and extend him. My top priority. If Curtis is $6-7M a year, I extend him. DJ can wait until after 2021 because with the 5th year option and a franchise tag he’d cost $27M in 2022 and 2023, fairly reasonable even without a long term extension which would help with cap savings in 2022/2023. 2022, year two of rookie QB is when I’d want to start to contend so I’d try to rollover $30M of the $60M in 2021 space by backloading Moton.

Oh and yes, I’d love to have $100M rollover cap going into 2022 to make some splashes when we are hopefully competing after two more decent drafts and keeping our good young players, but it’s gone so we do what we can.

Note that I am only listing real cap savings, i.e. “new” salary and roster/workout bonuses that wouldn’t get paid out and thus save cap space. Dead cap is meaningless because it is already paid out like signing bonuses and it’s only a matter of what year they hit the cap and with rollover it’s a non issue.

I was being serious. I enjoy your take on cap calculations.

[Toomers]

10 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Dude lives in the past not the future.  His response will be about how we could have had more space if we had cut KK and not signed Teddy.

   When exactly do you think they would be(or would have been to be more accurate) spending the 13+M the Panthers threw away on KK and the 34M guaranteed they gave a top-flight backup QB? One has to wonder what could have been done this coming year with 47M  extra just from those two. Think it would help going into the draft with Moton signed, Or Samuel. How about 4 very good starters at positions of need with 10M first year hits. Then be able to truly take BPA. But I’m sure this doesn’t have anything to do with the Panthers future. 
 

   There is so much ignorance and lack of understanding anything about the salary in so few words. The entire post is a perfect example of 95% of the fans on here who have no clue the salary cap isn’t just a year-to-year entity. 

[jfra78]

1 minute ago, Toomers said:

   When exactly do you think they would be(or would have been to be more accurate) spending the 13+M the Panthers threw away on KK and the 34M guaranteed they gave a top-flight backup QB? One has to wonder what could have been done this coming year with 47M  extra just from those two. Think it would help going into the draft with Moton signed, Or Samuel. How about 4 very good starters at positions of need with 10M first year hits. Then be able to truly take BPA. But I’m sure this doesn’t have anything to do with the Panthers future. 
 

   There is so much ignorance and lack of understanding anything about the salary in so few words. The entire post is a perfect example of 95% of the fans on here who have no clue the salary cap isn’t just a year-to-year entity. 

What good does any of this do now?

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

What good does any of this do now?

I don’t know if it’s possible to lay it out any simpler. You would STILL have 47M to use on players in the next couple years. Do you really believe that that the money handed to them couldn’t be used in 2021? 
 

   This scenario was explained many times over, including to you directly in many threads(including this one). Which is why you made this ignorant post? Evidently with not one shred of knowing what you were talking about. 
 

  Please explain how this money has no impact on the future of this team? Show your skills

[Toomers]

10 hours ago, bababoey said:

Didn't they just trade for Alexander?  I think is was like a 5th and a player.  So they traded 2021 6th to piss off the Panthers and they cut the guy and traded their 2021 5th and cut the guy and people come on here a yell and scream about Hurney?  

Yeah Lomis is a genius I guess.

They traded a 5th and a player that hasn’t played this year and may never again. And Alexander has played very well since joining the team. Who was cut? Certainly wasn’t him. 
 

It’s not trading up for Greg Little. But not all GMs can pull that off. 

 

[jfra78]

34 minutes ago, Toomers said:

I don’t know if it’s possible to lay it out any simpler. You would STILL have 47M to use on players in the next couple years. Do you really believe that that the money handed to them couldn’t be used in 2021? 
 

   This scenario was explained many times over, including to you directly in many threads(including this one). Which is why you made this ignorant post? Evidently with not one shred of knowing what you were talking about. 
 

  Please explain how this money has no impact on the future of this team? Show your skills

Its in the past, none of us can do anything about it now. Why harp on it?

[onmyown]

Cant wait until the rest of the NFCS teams are in cap hell so we’ll finally have a chance 

[1of10Charnatives]

1 hour ago, RumHam said:

the league lets them get away with it if you haven't figured that out yet

Salary cap info for every team in the league is publicly available information and it is what it is. There is nothing for the league to "let them get away with." I don't trust the NFL any further than I can throw them, but this is like saying the league favors some teams over others when it sets the schedule even though the formula for who each team plays is straightforward and anyone can work out who their team will play the coming year the minute the season is over.

Implying otherwise is nonsense.

[Toomers]

20 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Its in the past, none of us can do anything about it now. Why harp on it?

   Then you might want to explain why you brought them up in this thread. No one else did. That was you. And did it being completely wrong about them having no effect on the future. As did any explanation of it. 
 

    All that happened was one poster asked for a legitimate, accurate explanation specifically from one of the maybe 5 people on here who understands the salary cap. But you couldn’t help but flex your ignorance of the situation. 
 

   

[AU-panther]

On 12/8/2020 at 8:41 AM, CanadianCat said:

... says the guy that is not an NFL GM... 

I never claimed to be, but the salary cap isn’t that hard to understand 

[Toomers]

6 hours ago, AU-panther said:

I never claimed to be, but the salary cap isn’t that hard to understand 

   But literacy and the ability to do 3rd grade math is hard.  
 

   Now you don’t even have to know that. Just click the red x that makes it easy for anyone. Which makes it all the more sad that most on here still don’t get it. 

[Harbingers]

On 12/8/2020 at 8:37 AM, LinvilleGorge said:

I don't know how the Saints and Eagles are gonna pull it off. He Saints always find a way, but damn they're ridiculously into the red.

Probably trade away all their talent for future draft picks in masse. Its not a bad concept in theory but will it pay off is the question.

[JawnyBlaze]

Definitely think we gotta let Short go. Should get us another big chunk of space. Resign Moton at all costs, resign Samuel at a fair deal but don’t break the bank for a WR3. Maybe $7 or 8mil per year (I dunno just guessing). Try to find MLB and/or CB in FA, maybe a G too. Draft QB first, then OL, CB and LB. 

[stbugs]

54 minutes ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Definitely think we gotta let Short go. Should get us another big chunk of space. Resign Moton at all costs, resign Samuel at a fair deal but don’t break the bank for a WR3. Maybe $7 or 8mil per year (I dunno just guessing). Try to find MLB and/or CB in FA, maybe a G too. Draft QB first, then OL, CB and LB. 

Short last year was a no brainer, this year keeping him would be criminal and be proof that Marty’s getting a cut of his salary. There could be no other explanation for the most expensive guy on the team who clearly has no part being in a rebuilding process. For $13M let the coaches teach Brown or let Kerr so he sees what effort is not how to sit on IR for 2 years and collect almost $30M.

Moton is an absolute must. Okung is broken down at this point. We can’t go into 2021 with only Paradis and 2022 with no one.