Dane Bruglers updated top 10 mock draft

[Varking]

9 hours ago, TheCasillas said:

Fields would have locked in a losing culture.

Let’s be honest.... outside of Lawrence every QB in this class wreaks of boom or bust. 

[BrianS]

5 hours ago, Ja Rhule said:

Lance will be the best QB in draft.  I’m telling ya.  He’s very similar to Aaron Rodgers.

Lance is not like Aaron Rodgers.  Trey Lance is Cam Newton lite.  It's really that simple.  And all due respect, but he's played against far lesser competition in his college career than Cam did.

People really need to spend some time actually watching Trey Lance play. 

Watch his footwork against James Madison for example.  Lazy feet in the pocket.  Not sure why, because he didn't show it in other games, but it was clearly there in the biggest game he played.  A number of balls low or in the dirt.  Even the TD that was called back was low.

Here's a game vs Delaware.  Again, watch how many balls he throws low.  You also see him late and long, high, wide.  For every really nice throw he makes - and he makes some - there is another questionable one.

Against SDSU.  Leaves the deep ball short multiple times.  Deep ball long.

How about against UND?  Statistically one of his better games.  Balls are high and wide.  Deep ball inaccurate / wrong shoulders the WR.  Deep ball short.  Even the underneath route TD to the TE was a bad read.  He had a man open in the end zone.

What about 2020, his only game?  High.  Long.  Wide.  Low.  Poor ball placement leads on an INT.  Short on a deep throw to win the game.  The TD that did win the game?  Poorly placed and short.

And over and over in all of them, what you see is NDSU relying on Trey Lance to make a play with his legs.  Watch the hits he takes.  Over and over.  I can't be excited about that again.  The punishment catches up way too fast in the NFL.  Cams career was shortened by the blows he took, and I don't want to see us take another QB who plays with his legs, and ends up out of the game way before his time.

Trey Lance is Cam Newton, just not as good.  He's shown me nothing as a passer that any other 2nd round QB hasn't shown.  This is not the QB our system needs.  

[45catfan]

8 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Lance is not like Aaron Rodgers.  Trey Lance is Cam Newton lite.  It's really that simple.  And all due respect, but he's played against far lesser competition in his college career than Cam did.

People really need to spend some time actually watching Trey Lance play. 

Watch his footwork against James Madison for example.  Lazy feet in the pocket.  Not sure why, because he didn't show it in other games, but it was clearly there in the biggest game he played.  A number of balls low or in the dirt.  Even the TD that was called back was low.

Here's a game vs Delaware.  Again, watch how many balls he throws low.  You also see him late and long, high, wide.  For every really nice throw he makes - and he makes some - there is another questionable one.

Against SDSU.  Leaves the deep ball short multiple times.  Deep ball long.

How about against UND?  Statistically one of his better games.  Balls are high and wide.  Deep ball inaccurate / wrong shoulders the WR.  Deep ball short.  Even the underneath route TD to the TE was a bad read.  He had a man open in the end zone.

What about 2020, his only game?  High.  Long.  Wide.  Low.  Poor ball placement leads on an INT.  Short on a deep throw to win the game.  The TD that did win the game?  Poorly placed and short.

And over and over in all of them, what you see is NDSU relying on Trey Lance to make a play with his legs.  Watch the hits he takes.  Over and over.  I can't be excited about that again.  The punishment catches up way too fast in the NFL.  Cams career was shortened by the blows he took, and I don't want to see us take another QB who plays with his legs, and ends up out of the game way before his time.

Trey Lance is Cam Newton, just not as good.  He's shown me nothing as a passer that any other 2nd round QB hasn't shown.  This is not the QB our system needs.  

49 TDs, one pick and undefeated.  Not too shabby.  I think I'll take my chances with him, especially if he's not expected to start right away.

[TheCasillas]

1 hour ago, Varking said:

Let’s be honest.... outside of Lawrence every QB in this class wreaks of boom or bust. 

COVID year makes this a very difficult draft. Id almost consider trading our first pick for A-Rod if he doesnt win the SB this year - I think this is his last year in GB

[TheRumGone]

24 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Lance is not like Aaron Rodgers.  Trey Lance is Cam Newton lite.  It's really that simple.  And all due respect, but he's played against far lesser competition in his college career than Cam did.

People really need to spend some time actually watching Trey Lance play. 

Watch his footwork against James Madison for example.  Lazy feet in the pocket.  Not sure why, because he didn't show it in other games, but it was clearly there in the biggest game he played.  A number of balls low or in the dirt.  Even the TD that was called back was low.

Here's a game vs Delaware.  Again, watch how many balls he throws low.  You also see him late and long, high, wide.  For every really nice throw he makes - and he makes some - there is another questionable one.

Against SDSU.  Leaves the deep ball short multiple times.  Deep ball long.

How about against UND?  Statistically one of his better games.  Balls are high and wide.  Deep ball inaccurate / wrong shoulders the WR.  Deep ball short.  Even the underneath route TD to the TE was a bad read.  He had a man open in the end zone.

What about 2020, his only game?  High.  Long.  Wide.  Low.  Poor ball placement leads on an INT.  Short on a deep throw to win the game.  The TD that did win the game?  Poorly placed and short.

And over and over in all of them, what you see is NDSU relying on Trey Lance to make a play with his legs.  Watch the hits he takes.  Over and over.  I can't be excited about that again.  The punishment catches up way too fast in the NFL.  Cams career was shortened by the blows he took, and I don't want to see us take another QB who plays with his legs, and ends up out of the game way before his time.

Trey Lance is Cam Newton, just not as good.  He's shown me nothing as a passer that any other 2nd round QB hasn't shown.  This is not the QB our system needs.  

You can literally do this with every single prospect including Lawrence. The best comp I’ve seen of Lance is McNair. Lance shows elite NFL traits, what you want is for him to show those consistently in the NFL. That’s why he’s considered raw or needs more development. Lawrence shows them more consistently for instance. But this is why teams and scouts are excited about Lance. You can debate if we should take him at 9. I think we should but I get people who would pass.

[Ja Rhule]

3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

49 TDs, one pick and undefeated.  Not too shabby.  I think I'll take my chances with him, especially if he's not expected to start right away.

Lance talent is amazing but he’s raw and need to sit for a year.  Dude is huge, fast and got a cannon.  His throwing motion os identical to Rodgers and Russell Wilson. You can’t teach that.

 

[KatsAzz]

I will be more than happy if we select Trey Lance, QB, North Dakota State. But if Lance and the other three top rated QB's are off the board i want  Denver Broncos – Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State.

[Varking]

Aaron Rodgers regularly made it to 200 yards passing a game in college. Lance... not so much. 

[Ja Rhule]

10 minutes ago, Varking said:

Aaron Rodgers regularly made it to 200 yards passing a game in college. Lance... not so much. 

Lance has over 1k rushing yards in 2019.  Don’t ignore that fact.  He has over 200 total yards in almost all games.

[Varking]

5 minutes ago, Ja Rhule said:

Lance has over 1k rushing yards in 2019.  Don’t ignore that fact.  He has over 200 total yards in almost all games.

I need my quarterback to throw the ball. 200 yards isn’t a huge ask. He was averaging 155 passing yards a game. 38.75 passing yards a quarter. Don’t ignore the fact that in their biggest game of the season last year they asked him to only throw 10 times. They asked him to run 30 times. If I had a true top 10 pick QB at my FBS school I’d take full advantage of throwing. 
If you have Zach Wilson do you just throw the ball 10 times and lean on the run? No, because throwing the ball is a strength of what he does. 

[BrianS]

8 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

You can literally do this with every single prospect including Lawrence. The best comp I’ve seen of Lance is McNair. Lance shows elite NFL traits, what you want is for him to show those consistently in the NFL. That’s why he’s considered raw or needs more development. Lawrence shows them more consistently for instance. But this is why teams and scouts are excited about Lance. You can debate if we should take him at 9. I think we should but I get people who would pass.

Elite NFL traits?  Really?  What are they?  I don't consider rushing an "Elite NFL trait", though I grant that he looks good against weak competition when running QB runs.  His deep ball accuracy is suspect.  His overall accuracy and placement are suspect.  His mechanics are inconsistent. 

If we want a developmental prospect, I'd far prefer to see us take a guy in the 2nd round like Mac Jones or Kyle Trask.

[TheRumGone]

18 minutes ago, BrianS said:

Elite NFL traits?  Really?  What are they?  I don't consider rushing an "Elite NFL trait", though I grant that he looks good against weak competition when running QB runs.  His deep ball accuracy is suspect.  His overall accuracy and placement are suspect.  His mechanics are inconsistent. 

If we want a developmental prospect, I'd far prefer to see us take a guy in the 2nd round like Mac Jones or Kyle Trask.

Watch the vid I posted on page 2. Those guys go through 2019 cut ups showing off his elite traits and how they transfer to the nfl. Including his mechanics, footwork, his pocket awareness, his arm strength, ball placement using context. They want to see more of it, but he has shown the ability. Hence why myself and others have said I’d like to see him sit for a year and learn. Get a full two offseason of nfl workouts, practice and learning. They do talk about his low ball placement and how that’s gonna be an issue for him among other things. 

[jfra78]

I would be fine with Lance at 9, though it would be hard to pass up on Parsons.  

[Agent Blue]

Just watched Lane's plays vs Central Arkansas this year. It was ugly. Had to turn it off.

Dude would be a hell of a gamble. Right now he is not accurate and I question his IQ. 

Dude looks like a knock off version of Cam Newton. 

I'd rather we pass on this.