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Rapoport: Panthers expected to be in the mix for Watson.


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1 hour ago, TheCasillas said:

Do you mean 3 players? Im assuming you are referring to us trading 3 first rounds picks (which I dont think we will offer more than 2)

 

If that's the case, I dont think we are risking "a ton" of potential talent. Just two players.

It is if you are only picking up 6 players per draft over the next few years when you could trade down and have 8-10 players per year through the draft over those next few years instead.

This would fill in some of the 15 or more holes this teams needs to desperately fill in so bad, and could fill them in more quickly.

And, it would be able to fill those holes faster, for less money towards the cap, with more players to sift through as the right insert for the role.

It just gives a lot more talent, for cheaper, faster, and towards the goal of filling all the spots that are so badly needed.

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I am not sure how attractive of a package we could put together for the Texans and a lot of that is going to depend on what coach they end up hiring. 

In terms of players we have with trade value to them, 

1. Brian Burns

2. DJ Moore

3. CMC(behind Moore because of the contract and injuries)

 

That's probably about it for high end value. Other than that, we will probably have to go pretty hard on draft capital and that is a dicey proposition. You have to weigh what a player of his caliber is worth(a tremendous amount) and what we have left to be able to build around him. It could be a big problem without the draft picks to build your roster for the next 2-3 years. Our new GM is going to have to absolutely knock it out of the park on all his free agent signings from that point on. 

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7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Bingo. TBQH, I am not sure I would want to trade one completely hopeless rebuilding situation in Houston for a mildly more hopeful rebuilding situation in Carolina.

Miami, the Pats, San Francisco all seem to fit the bill for winning situations. Perhaps the Colts?

But, we also have to consider places he wants to live, how much the Texans are willing to trade him for, who they are willing to trade him to, etc. This is going to be a fascinating to watch transpire.

We are apparently on his shortlist. That's what im operating off of.

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3 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

texans really dont have much room to play hardball. This is a very unfortunate situation for HOU and their fans. If they were choosing to trade Watson, they could potentially get four 1st round picks or not trade at all, but since this is driven by watson, there is no outcome but a trade.

Don't underestimate them overplaying their hand here. How often do we see terrible management make bad decisions in these situations and not be able to get maximum market value? We have to remember that if Watson basically tells a team or two that they are basically the destination or makes that publicly known, that immediately tanks the trade value for Watson. There will be no bidding war for him because he can veto anything.

I honestly don't think the Texans will get the bounty that people are projecting them to. It's also possible that they decide to go nuclear option and let Watson rot on the bench for a year. They've already been dumb so far, so maybe they keep being dumb. 

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11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The Rapoport tweet we're basing this discussion on lists two AFC teams as likely trade targets.

Are we gonna say that Rapoport's right about us but wrong about them?

He said the Jets and Dolphins were being publicly discussed, he didn't say the Texans were game to work a deal with them.

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1 minute ago, cardiackat88. said:

It is if you are only picking up 6 players per draft over the next few years, homie.

You could trade down and have 8-10 players per year through the draft, bro.

This would fill in some of the 15 or more holes this teams needs to desperately fill in so bad, G.

And, it would be able to fill those holes faster, for less money towards the cap, with more players to sift through as the right insert for the role, DUDE.

We could pick for the next 10-15 years and never find a QB near Watsons level.  A top 5 QB that could be here for another 10 years is way more valuable than 3 first round picks.  Watson is more valuable than Trevor Lawrence IMO because he is a known commodity.  Losing CMC would suck but Watson has much more value.

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4 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

you could still do this without a first round pick.

Lose three first round picks over the next few drafts (as some have suggested to get Watson) and have peanuts to trade down for with more peanuts to get?

The idea is to use larger capitol (hence 1st rounder) and trade down for decent capitol (2nd and 3rd, 2nd and 4th, 3rd and 4th etc) 

Instead of trading down 2nd round picks for fifth rounders and similar situations.

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Just now, kungfoodude said:

Don't underestimate them overplaying their hand here. How often do we see terrible management make bad decisions in these situations and not be able to get maximum market value? We have to remember that if Watson basically tells a team or two that they are basically the destination or makes that publicly known, that immediately tanks the trade value for Watson. There will be no bidding war for him because he can veto anything.

I honestly don't think the Texans will get the bounty that people are projecting them to. It's also possible that they decide to go nuclear option and let Watson rot on the bench for a year. They've already been dumb so far, so maybe they keep being dumb. 

This is def a possible outcome. If I was Nick Caserio... i'd quit though. That completely hamstrings him from being able to do his job. Also, other players would ask for their release or trade as well if they chose to do that.

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Just now, cardiackat88. said:

Lose three first round picks over the next few drafts (as some have suggested to get Watson) and have peanuts to trade down for with more peanuts to get?

The idea is to use larger capitol (hence 1st rounder) and trade down for decent capitol (2nd and 3rd, 2nd and 4th, 3rd and 4th etc) 

Instead of trading down 2nd round picks for fifth rounders and similar situations.

2nd round picks dont trade down for 5th rounders.... 2nd round picks trade for future first rounders, and additional 2nd rounders. I think you are thinking inside your own box, and not using real life examples. Here is one:

EVERETTE BROWN  

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1 minute ago, TheCasillas said:

This is def a possible outcome. If I was Nick Caserio... i'd quit though. That completely hamstrings him from being able to do his job. Also, other players would ask for their release or trade as well if they chose to do that.

Yeah, he may have his hands full putting this franchise back together after all this is done. Keep in mind that this could get a LOT worse depending on the coaching situation. If the rumor mill is correct and this is viewed as the worst HC job in the league, their top level choices may not be interested. 

So, now you have a roster with guys that want to leave, including one of the best young QB's in the league with a huge contract containing a no trade clause. Now pile on a less than stellar coach and a team not many guys that are trying to win are going to be interested in signing with in free agency. 

That team could quickly become the worst franchise in the NFL.

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1 hour ago, Move the Panthers to Raleigh said:

We just saw the Bucs make it to the NFC championship after one year of big FA moves. Why can't we do the same?

In a year when we already can't afford to keep both Moton and Samuel and the salary cap might end up going down?

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7 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He said the Jets and Dolphins were being publicly discussed, he didn't say the Texans were game to work a deal with them.

He didn't say the Texans were game to do a deal with us either, but we're running with it as if he did.

Heck, all he basically said was "maybe the Panthers are an option too".

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