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Rapoport: Panthers expected to be in the mix for Watson.


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10 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

The nets also gave up 4 1st round picks and 3 pick swaps.  If the players had all of the leverage then the team they went to wouldn't have had to give up so much.

that’s not that big of a return relative to the value of harden (especially the pick swaps lol houston may very well never exercise those options) but beyond that i don’t think anyone is arguing that if watson only wanted to go to one team that the texans would just accept like a 5th round pick for him. they will get assets but those assets won’t compare to his value and unless they’re getting nothing but ridiculous lowball offers they will be hurting themselves if they keep him out of spite. 5 teams bidding against each other and 20 teams bidding against each other is a very big difference and will be reflected in houston’s return. and that’s not even getting into the franchise’s historic willingness to eat poo on trades. honestly wouldn’t be surprised if two firsts and mccaffrey got it done given what we know about that organization. and that’s a deal you immediately accept. 

there’s no real precedent for watson’s trade value in this era. with his ntc i think it’s pretty obvious that whoever gets him will win the trade on pure value. obviously houston will think they’re winning if they turn a player who doesn’t want to be there into future assets but value wise houston is going to take a massive loss. huge disparity in leverage here.

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25 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

that’s not that big of a return relative to the value of harden (especially the pick swaps lol houston may very well never exercise those options) but beyond that i don’t think anyone is arguing that if watson only wanted to go to one team that the texans would just accept like a 5th round pick for him. they will get assets but those assets won’t compare to his value and unless they’re getting nothing but ridiculous lowball offers they will be hurting themselves if they keep him out of spite. 5 teams bidding against each other and 20 teams bidding against each other is a very big difference and will be reflected in houston’s return. and that’s not even getting into the franchise’s historic willingness to eat poo on trades. honestly wouldn’t be surprised if two firsts and mccaffrey got it done given what we know about that organization. and that’s a deal you immediately accept. 

there’s no real precedent for watson’s trade value in this era. with his ntc i think it’s pretty obvious that whoever gets him will win the trade on pure value. obviously houston will think they’re winning if they turn a player who doesn’t want to be there into future assets but value wise houston is going to take a massive loss. huge disparity in leverage here.

so what do you think he gets traded for?

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14 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

so what do you think he gets traded for?

not a prediction as it’s difficult to say where he goes if he goes at all not knowing the full context here but if he were to be traded to carolina i think 2 firsts, a 2nd/3rd and mccaffrey gets it done. they’re probably taking a player or two back in any deal so it’s hard to say exactly what he goes for but i get the feeling houston would value mccaffrey at roughly the value of a first round pick. they have very dumb ownership, mccaffrey is a “star” and tbh his complexion is going to appeal to that franchise. so let’s say ~3 first round picks in value.

i know watson is worth way more than that so i don’t need anyone to pipe up with how it will never happen on the basis that it’s an underpay. what he’s worth as a player in a vacuum and what the texans will get in return are two different things. houston is going to eat a loss on any trade. the question is how much of a loss. without knowing what teams he would accept a trade to it’s difficult to say for sure. we can only speculate. but if anyone is in the driver’s seat right now it’s watson.

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Just to stir the pot a little bit. 

Current betting odds as to where Watson will be next year:

What will be Deshaun Watson’s next team?

Carolina Panther +600

Miami Dolphins +650

Atlanta Falcons +700

New York Jets +750

Denver Broncos +800

Las Vegas Raiders +800

New Orleans Saints +800

Chicago Bears +900

New England Patriots +900

San Fransisco 49ers +1000

 

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7 minutes ago, joemac said:

Just to stir the pot a little bit. 

Current betting odds as to where Watson will be next year:

What will be Deshaun Watson’s next team?

Carolina Panther +600

Miami Dolphins +650

Atlanta Falcons +700

New York Jets +750

Denver Broncos +800

Las Vegas Raiders +800

New Orleans Saints +800

Chicago Bears +900

New England Patriots +900

San Fransisco 49ers +1000

 

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This is already in another thread, thanks for showing again🤦‍♂️

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3 minutes ago, joemac said:

Just to stir the pot a little bit. 

Current betting odds as to where Watson will be next year:

What will be Deshaun Watson’s next team?

Carolina Panther +600

Miami Dolphins +650

Atlanta Falcons +700

New York Jets +750

Denver Broncos +800

Las Vegas Raiders +800

New Orleans Saints +800

Chicago Bears +900

New England Patriots +900

San Fransisco 49ers +1000

 

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Just for reference, this was that same site's list for who would be the next Panthers head coach a year ago.

Greg Roman +300
Jason Garrett +550
Robert Saleh +700
Dan Quinn +750
Jim Harbaugh +750
Josh McDaniels +800
David Shaw +900
Mike McCarthy +1200
Urban Meyer +1200
Jay Gruden +1400
Doug Marrone +1600
Mike LaFleur +1600
Marvin Lewis +1800
Pat Shurmur +1800
Doug Pederson +2000
Bill Cowher +2500

Oddsmakers do pretty well at picking point spreads. When it comes to personnel moves, not so much.

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2 minutes ago, BurnNChinn said:

This is already in another thread, thanks for showing again🤦‍♂️

Oh excuse me I havent read thru all 60 pages of Watson threads today.

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Keep in mind that once he is traded we inherit his salary but not the prorated signing bonus so in 2021 his salary is 10.5 million and even in 2022 it is 35 million. So it isn't until 2023 it gets high and that could be renegotiated. His salary is actually pretty doable.

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3 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

need to purge the fan base of the 30% who say they wouldn’t do two firsts and mccaffrey 

Seriously.  In reality its more like 1 first and CMC, considering we would most likely select a QB at 8 this year.

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