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Washington Football Team finalizing deal with Marty Hurney

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52 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is...eye opening 😳

Okay, Hurney didn't pick all the players the way, say, Bobby Beathard picked just about everybody who played for the Redskins in those four Super Bowls. "I am not," Hurney said in a conversation yesterday, "an evaluator at all."

But he did have critical input in identifying and hiring John Fox, the head coach. "He does get involved with personnel," said Beathard, Hurney's mentor and the man who facilitated the transition from covering an NFL team to running one. "He's a great guy to sit around when the scouts are in and he gets the conversation going. But I don't think he's pushy or thinks he has the experience to make those decisions."

Hurney is a facilitator, a consensus builder, an administrator who can pull together all manner of resources, start a very democratic process that works well for the Panthers, then sit with the coach and owner and come to sharp, well-reasoned decisions. 

The above excerpt comes from a profile of Marty that was written by Michael Wilbon in 2004 when the Panthers were headed to the Super Bowl. You can read the full article at the link below:

Marty Hurney makes good copy

So he is the classic middle manager. That explains a lot.

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32 minutes ago, Ship said:

So if Hurney didn't make all those picks... who should we hate?

Marty was still the guy with final say. Likewise, he hired all the people that gave him info. So ultimately he still gets credit for the good choices, and blame for the bad ones.

I'd also have to imagine that as time went on, his confidence in his own abilities probably got better. This was written in 2004. Marty was here for many years after that.

We also know on the word of other Insiders that in later years here, Marty would sometimes make choices the scouts disagreed with or had to talk him out of (trading a future first rounder to move up for Clausen, as an example).

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5 hours ago, Waldo said:

Those two have never put a winning team on the field. Marty  and Ron. It's a dynamically bad duo.

Why anyone would expect anything different is beyond me. All they do is lose together. 4.5ish years and yup, no winning. This is built to fail.

Hurney never had the luxury of prime Cam Newton.

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3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Marty was still the guy with final say. Likewise, he hired all the people that gave him info. So ultimately he still gets credit for the good choices, and blame for the bad ones.

I'd also have to imagine that as time went on, his confidence in his own abilities probably got better. This was written in 2004. Marty was here for many years after that.

We also know on the word of other Insiders that in later years here, Marty would sometimes make choices the scouts disagreed with or had to talk him out of (trading a future first rounder to move up for Clausen, as an example).

What’s your source on moving up to grab Clausen? You’ve been saying that for years but have never provided a documented source.

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