Suppose CMC is part of the deal for Watson

[Smithers]

We’d draft Etienne in the 2nd

[Catsfan69]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I don't think you really have any concept of player evaluation nor positional value in the modern NFL. 

Don't talk to me about modern NFL BS and analytics. 

You can still win championships running the ball and playing defense if you choose. 

The man could have done 1000 1000 2 years in a row if Ron hadn't cut his touches back.

That's with Baby Goat and a washed up Cam Newton. 

Recievers are a dime a dozen you can always find them.

There have only been 3 1000 1000 guys. He's an all time talent. 

[PhillyB]

CMC is great, but we can get production from nearly anyone we stick at the position.

the same is not true of the quarterback position. this had been demonstrated time and again.

if CMC is the difference maker in a trade to get a guy who can make you elite at quarterback you don't hesitate.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

I think if we trade CMC then resigning Samuel becomes a priority. Bringing back Mike Davis would be a plus. 

There's uncertainty whether we have enough money to keep Samuel now.

Trade McCaffrey and all the money they've only recently freed up goes bye-bye.

[hepcat]

Everyone should take a look at the starting RBs for the last 20 years of Super Bowl winners and decide if a top paid RB is really that important to winning a championship 

[mrcompletely11]

6 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Don't talk to me about modern NFL BS and analytics. 

You can still win championships running the ball and playing defense if you choose. 

The man could have done 1000 1000 2 years in a row if Ron hadn't cut his touches back.

That's with Baby Goat and a washed up Cam Newton. 

Recievers are a dime a dozen you can always find them.

There have only been 3 1000 1000 guys. He's an all time talent. 

How many wins did that amount to?  I will hang up and listen.............

[Moo Daeng]

10 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Don't talk to me about modern NFL BS and analytics. 

You can still win championships running the ball and playing defense if you choose. 

The man could have done 1000 1000 2 years in a row if Ron hadn't cut his touches back.

That's with Baby Goat and a washed up Cam Newton. 

Recievers are a dime a dozen you can always find them.

There have only been 3 1000 1000 guys. He's an all time talent. 

Fantastic for fantasy football. Yet did nothing to help us win anything.

[Ready 2 Win]

I'm not opposed to trading CMC. As great as he has been, he is coming off injury, and plays a position where hits add up. 

Couple that with his use is our system so far has been to mask for inadequate play all around. We ran Cam into the ground abusing him and not giving him the tools to succeed.  I would rather lose CMC and see him flourish elsewhere than watch yet another Panther play on a team and carry a load and shoulder too much burden because of our inability to field a "complete" team and instead rely on the generational talents of 1 to cover the failures of others. 

[AU-panther]

15 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I would love to be able to move CMC's contract but that probably can't happen for another offseason or two with the dead cap hit it entails. We are essentially talking about what Houston is staring down the barrel of, a massive contract that was just signed and taking the maximum amount of dead cap hit possible for that contract. 

They could make it work if it was needed to make a deal happen.

Its about$17m if traded according to overthecap.com.

Christian McCaffrey Contract Details, Salary Cap Charges, Bonus Money, and Contract History | Over The Cap

Watson would only be around $10m.  10+17=doable

Taking the RB worth argument out of it, some team might want a good player, who has already had their signing bonus paid, in return.   In their mind it might offset some of the dead money on their books for their player they are trading.

For them CMC would only average about $10.5m a year with almost zero guaranteed money.  First two years would actually be closer to $8m a year.

Great player on rookie deal > Great player on second deal where signing bonus is already paid > Great player who is expecting new deal

 

[CPF4LIFE]

7 hours ago, PantherOnTheProwl1523 said:

Actually it's not easy to get a RB with the skill set/abilities that CMC has.

That's true but even with that said, Cmc unique skills is not gonna carry this team to a championship and other teams without guys like cmc unique skills are doing just fine winning.

[kungfoodude]

17 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I am not sure what answer you expected to this question but it is 5 times in 1014 touches(this includes the playoffs). 

2017: 0 TD's of 40+ yds.

2018: 1 TD's of 40+ yds.

2019: 4 TD's of 40+ yds.

2020: 0 TD's of 40+ yds. 

DJ Moore, Robby Anderson and Curtis Samuel also all have the ability to score anytime they touch the ball.

FWIW, to make this point a little more clear.....

Robby Anderson has 9 40+ yd TD's in 315 touches.

Curtis Samuel has 1 40+ yard TD's in 257 touches.

DJ Moore has 5 40+ yard TD's in 208 touches. 

So, your extremely goofy criteria doesn't hold up well to the reality of the situation. 

 

[kungfoodude]

20 minutes ago, Catsfan69 said:

Don't talk to me about modern NFL BS and analytics. 

You can still win championships running the ball and playing defense if you choose. 

The man could have done 1000 1000 2 years in a row if Ron hadn't cut his touches back.

That's with Baby Goat and a washed up Cam Newton. 

Recievers are a dime a dozen you can always find them.

There have only been 3 1000 1000 guys. He's an all time talent. 

How many of those 1000/1000 seasons have resulted in a Super Bowl title?

Him being a HOF caliber talent doesn't change the fact that his value is relatively low. Furthermore, how many wins did those performances result in?

He can't carry a team. He's a RB and this isn't the 1980's. 

[Moo Daeng]

1. He's not tradable now.

2. I like him and would prefer he stayed on the roster

3. If not for #1 I'd theoretically rather offer him up than any young defender

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

FWIW, to make this point a little more clear.....

Robby Anderson has 9 40+ yd TD's in 315 touches.

Curtis Samuel has 1 40+ yard TD's in 257 touches.

DJ Moore has 5 40+ yard TD's in 208 touches. 

So, your extremely goofy criteria doesn't hold up well to the reality of the situation. 

 

I'd agree, but it's also fair to point out that with a healthy McCaffrey all those guys have the potential to be even more productive given the attention defenses are going to pay to him.

In the previous season, teams' entire game plan was pretty much just to stop McCaffrey.