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When has a blockbuster NFL trade worked out for the team who gives up everything?


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17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm saying only blockbuster trades that helped a team win championships can truly be called a success.

If all you can say is "we gave up a sh-tload for this player and afterward we were...pretty good", then you didn't reach the goal.

Why stop at blockbusters? Under your terms, why wouldn't any aquisition that didn't lead to a Super Bowl be considered a failure. 

We gave up a 3rd for Olsen and had an overall losing record during his tenure. We never reached the goal. But he might reach the HOF. Did we lose that trade? 

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Just now, Stumpy said:

Why stop at blockbusters? Under your terms, why wouldn't any aquisition that didn't lead to a Super Bowl be considered a failure. 

We gave up a 3rd for Olsen and had an overall losing record during his tenure. We never reached the goal. But he might reach the HOF. Did we lose that trade? 

We traded a third round pick for Olsen.

Think we can get Deshaun Watson for a third round pick?

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17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm saying only blockbuster trades that helped a team win championships can truly be called a success.

If all you can say is "we gave up a sh-tload for this player and afterward we were...pretty good", then you didn't reach the goal.

So what if you don't make any moves and stay the course and still suck?

This is like choosing a mystery box vs a million bucks. 

Some would squander away the million and not have much to show for it and others could turn the million into a billion.

Mystery box could have a billion in it but it also could turn out to be dog poo.

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Just now, Stumpy said:

You didn't answer the question. 

Yes I did.

You give up a third round pick and that doesn't work out? It's salvageable.

You give up a first round pick and it doesn't work out? That gets you a dirty look from the owner, but it's still manageable.

You trade more than one first round pick and it doesn't lead to a championship? You're on thin ice...at best.

You give up some of the ridiculous trade packages we're talking about here and you don't win a championship with the guy you gave up all that stuff for in short order? Your ass is fired.

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4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yes I did.

You give up a third round pick and that doesn't work out? It's salvageable.

You give up a first round pick and it doesn't work out? That gets you a dirty look from the owner, but it's still manageable.

You trade more than one first round pick and it doesn't lead to a championship? You're on thin ice...at best.

You give up some of the ridiculous trade packages we're talking about here and you don't win a championship with the guy you gave up all that stuff for in short order? Your ass is fired.

Unless you're the owner...

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yes I did.

You give up a third round pick and that doesn't work out? It's salvageable.

You give up a first round pick and it doesn't work out? That gets you a dirty look from the owner, but it's still manageable.

You trade more than one first round pick and it doesn't lead to a championship? You're on thin ice...at best.

You give up some of the ridiculous trade packages we're talking about here and you don't win a championship with the guy you gave up all that stuff for in short order? Your ass is fired.

If you keep everything you were going to trade and don't win a championship in that same time frame you will also probably get your ass fired.

Do you go with the proven commodity or risk it to chance?

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Depends on what the conditions are to quality for blockbuster.   QBs are also valued different now than even 15 years ago. 
 

Giants gave up a lot for rookie Eli.  That worked out.  2 first (Rivers), a 2nd and 3rd. 
 

Lot of big names have moved around in trades and it worked out very well.   Compensation wasn’t bonkers though. 

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yes I did.

You give up a third round pick and that doesn't work out? It's salvageable.

You give up a first round pick and it doesn't work out? That gets you a dirty look from the owner, but it's still manageable.

You trade more than one first round pick and it doesn't lead to a championship? You're on thin ice...at best.

You give up some of the ridiculous trade packages we're talking about here and you don't win a championship with the guy you gave up all that stuff for in short order? Your ass is fired.

No. You didn't.

You have attempted to here. But, your logic is flawed. 

If we take your parameter of 2 1sts as the cut off for a "blockbuster" and a Super Bowl win as the only option for success, then every team in the league is an abject failure. 

Draft picks are the opportunity to aquire a player's services. Nothing more nothing less. What difference does it make if you spend 2 picks on one player or 3 picks for 10 players if you didn't win a ring? 

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47 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm saying only blockbuster trades that helped a team win championships can truly be called a success.

If all you can say is "we gave up a sh-tload for this player and afterward we were...pretty good", then you didn't reach the goal.

this is an irredeemably bad take 

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